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Are Pedophilia and Lolicon the same thing?
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Schmooples wrote:

Some lolicons are pedophiles, and some pedophiles are lolicons, but it doesn't always overlap. So far as I know, lolicon is the primary term for pedophile in Japan, but I could be wrong.

I've met plenty of lolicons who hate real children, and I've met plenty of pedophiles who dislike the anime style enough to not like loli. The characters often have features that aren't very childlike, like wide hips.

I'm pretty passionate about issues surrounding this, as many here undoubtedly saw last night. I tried to keep my ranting here to a minimum, but I'd like to throw this out there: pedophilia doesn't make someone bad per se.

Edit, for the post directly before mine: pedophilia is not a crime. Do not conflate child sexual abuse with pedophilia.


What the actual fuck? Pedophilia most certainly is a crime and having hungry eyes for children is never okay.
Posted 4/9/15

Schmooples wrote:

Some lolicons are pedophiles, and some pedophiles are lolicons, but it doesn't always overlap. So far as I know, lolicon is the primary term for pedophile in Japan, but I could be wrong.

I've met plenty of lolicons who hate real children, and I've met plenty of pedophiles who dislike the anime style enough to not like loli. The characters often have features that aren't very childlike, like wide hips.

I'm pretty passionate about issues surrounding this, as many here undoubtedly saw last night. I tried to keep my ranting here to a minimum, but I'd like to throw this out there: pedophilia doesn't make someone bad per se.

Edit, for the post directly before mine: pedophilia is not a crime. Do not conflate child sexual abuse with pedophilia.


Dafuq did I just read.
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What the actual fuck? Pedophilia most certainly is a crime and having hungry eyes for children is never okay.


No, pedophilia is not. It describes an attraction only, not an action. If pedophilia were a crime, it would be an example of thoughtcrime which most definitely should not exist.
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Posted 4/9/15
a mod should probably lock this thread before it crash and burns.
not sure how active they are in this forum though.
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No good can come out of threads like this, no matter how hard one tries there will always be some who disagree on either side. Topics like these are on the level of religion and politics, they tend to bring out the worst in people, just say no to politics, religion and lolicon topics
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We need extended discussion back.
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Posted 4/9/15 , edited 4/9/15
Pedophilia is NOT a crime. Pedophilia is sexual attraction toward children. Gross as many find it, thoughts are not crimes.

It only becomes a crime when you act on that attraction. I think Schmooples is right. Maybe not about the meaning of the terms since I think they mean the same thing, for all intents and purposes, but there's a difference between sexual attraction and actions.
Posted 4/9/15 , edited 4/9/15

Morbidhanson wrote:

Pedophilia is NOT a crime. Pedophilia is sexual attraction toward children. Gross as many find it, thoughts are not crimes.

It only becomes a crime when you act on that attraction. I think Schmooples is right. Maybe not about the meaning of the terms since I think they mean the same thing, for all intents and purposes, but there's a difference between sexual attraction and actions.


I'm literally beside myself.

Poor defenseless children? It may not be a crime but it should be, and a capital offense at that.
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Dark_Childe wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

Pedophilia is NOT a crime. Pedophilia is sexual attraction toward children. Gross as many find it, thoughts are not crimes.

It only becomes a crime when you act on that attraction. I think Schmooples is right. Maybe not about the meaning of the terms since I think they mean the same thing, for all intents and purposes, but there's a difference between sexual attraction and actions.


I'm literally beside myself with laughter.

Poor defenseless children? It may not be a crime but it should be, and a capital offense at that.


As long as they dont act on it its not a crime. You cant prosecute people for crimes they didnt commit.

For the record still don't support loliconism.
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Posted 4/9/15 , edited 4/9/15

Dark_Childe wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

Pedophilia is NOT a crime. Pedophilia is sexual attraction toward children. Gross as many find it, thoughts are not crimes.

It only becomes a crime when you act on that attraction. I think Schmooples is right. Maybe not about the meaning of the terms since I think they mean the same thing, for all intents and purposes, but there's a difference between sexual attraction and actions.


I'm literally beside myself.

Poor defenseless children? It may not be a crime but it should be, and a capital offense at that.


How is sexual attraction a crime if the person doesn't actually do anything? We don't thought-police. At least, not yet.

Actually acting on that attraction would be considered child abuse or statutory rape. Don't confuse attraction with action.

It's hardly fair to punish someone for merely thinking something, let alone issue capital punishment for thoughts alone. That's unconstitutional, unjust, and immoral. If this is allowed, we might very well punish people for thinking about killing someone even though they don't actually ever do anything. You can't punish people for having "bad thoughts."
Posted 4/9/15

Morbidhanson wrote:


Dark_Childe wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

Pedophilia is NOT a crime. Pedophilia is sexual attraction toward children. Gross as many find it, thoughts are not crimes.

It only becomes a crime when you act on that attraction. I think Schmooples is right. Maybe not about the meaning of the terms since I think they mean the same thing, for all intents and purposes, but there's a difference between sexual attraction and actions.


I'm literally beside myself.

Poor defenseless children? It may not be a crime but it should be, and a capital offense at that.


How is sexual attraction a crime if the person doesn't actually do anything? We don't thought-police. At least, not yet.

Actually acting on that attraction would be considered child abuse or statutory rape. Don't confuse attraction with action.

It's hardly fair to punish someone for merely thinking something, let alone issue capital punishment for thoughts alone. That's unconstitutional, unjust, and immoral. If this is allowed, we might very well punish people for thinking about killing someone even though they don't actually ever do anything. You can't punish people for having "bad thoughts."


Right. Psycho Pass and Minority Report come to mind. I made an error, I apologize.

On the other hand, the likelihood of such a person acting on these urges is great, and like Antisocial Personality Disorder, 99% of Sex offenders can't be cured or reformed and its highly likely the offender would do it again. I wouldn't call it more immoral than pedophilia to protect society from such an irredeemable predator with capital punishment, its the only guaranteed permanent solution, and housing them while incarcerated is costly as they need special protection away from other inmates who would kill them anyway.

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Posted 4/9/15
Oh god this topic again.
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Posted 4/10/15
No! Lolicon != Pedophilia


Anime is anime and real life is 3DPD

In the words of Keima, "Reality is just a crappy game."



Good luck on your pedobear hunt guys.

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a mod should probably lock this thread before it crash and burns.


It already crashed and burnt. We need help with the smoldering wreckage.
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In Japan the term "lolicon" is the definition of a pedophile, but me personally, a western person which was introduced to anime and not the country, made the term a bit different for me. When I think of pedophile, I see that it's a really bad thing that people do, but when I see lolicon, I see cute anime drawn girls or smug little anime guys and don't really mind it being a definition for that. Whereas the pedophile is sexually attracted, the lolicon is more visually attracted to the drawings. That's how I see it, but some people might see it as something else, especially Japanese native would probably see a problem with this mindset :p
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