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i don't know, I will listen to the conspiracies and keep them into my mind but i dont know whether i believe them or not. Theres this one conspiracy story keeps me thinking: a famous time traveler named John Titor has said that there might be a nuclear war in 2015 and half of the population will die. I don't know whether this is true or not but I am keeping track with the news and everything but, the ways things are going on the news...It might happen and I am really scared of that.


Steins;Gate totally disproved this. We're all safe now.

Best theory that I've heard?

AIDS was part of an eoffort to suppress anti-vietnam sentiments.

First outbreaks appeared in the 70's, approximately the same number of years after the "summer of love (1969) as its incubation period.


I like conspiracy theories and occultist theories as plot lines in stories (also check out Occult Academy for some of that if you like it), but as for real life theorists... They're generally paranoid and stupid people spouting them.

also watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hug0rfFC_L8


what? Isnt Steins;Gate some anime? How does it disprove this when the year 2015 hasn't even finished yet...


You oobviously haven't watched Steins Gate... :P

It is an anime title, and it makes several references to him as a time traveller, although I think they changed a lot. I think even one of the characters, who you find out is a time traveller, is secretly "him"...

Since you brought it up, I brought up the anime as a reference since it alluded to him a lot.

Keep your shirt on.. nothing to get defensive about.
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Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.


I hate to point this out to you but you don't need to melt steel to have it fail. All you need to do is reach a temperature of 800 degrees C or above for structural steel to fail. Jet fuel combined with the other burnable materials are more than enough to get you there. Than you just let gravity and weight take it's course and you get the pancaking that happened.



Ooo yea? den how du u explan thiss? HUhuh!?!
Evn if da steeal beemz fail at ay certian point, it duesn't cut da stteeal beems like DAT! it waz an insizde job! EXPLIAN THET NOWWWW!


That would be shearing force which can make it look like the beam was cut. This is the effect of gravity and weight on the beams which then buckles and shear away when failing it can look like it has been cut. But it simply failed because it is unable to handle the load placed on it. There are really cool videos out there of concrete beams failing not the same effect because steel has elasticity and rebounds after being snapped to a certain extent. Just gravity and weight is all you need to do it.

Also the simpler explanation would be they chopped it up to remove something that was in the way of work being done. Since there is no evidence showing either it would be hard to tell but I suspect it is more than likely one of these two reasons for what you are seeing than some inside job.

Steel is really interesting stuff as a building material it is elastic enough to handle shocks from an earthquake but ridged enough to hold up great amounts of weight. But it can be snapped if the load on it is to great or if it is weaken by heat. Best examples of steel failing Galloping Gertie or the 1945 Tacoma Narrows bridge. A text book example of shearing force at work the twisting is the shearing force on the bridge deck which caused it to fail.

As for not having a sense of humor that has been debated for decades now and I can tell with all honesty the jury is still out. Maybe someday they will find it sigh.
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Some are dumb, like there are people out there that believe the moon is a hologram, lol wtf.
Then others have more interesting facts to them, like 9/11 being a false flag just to start a war.


False flag right so which is more plausible terrorist trained to fly and than flying planes into builds that they think will bring down the American system, because they truly fail to understand how America works. This happening because the administration at the time refused to acknowledge the warnings that had been given about this possibility.

Or

The American government killing it own citizens and covering it up. Let me point out someone else has already mentioned Edward Snowden I will also point out Chelsae Manning as well as the older whistle blower Mark Felt. The US government holds a secret about as well as a sieve holds water, all it takes is one person willing to talk. If you believe it can put together a cover up for such an action and believe that it can't keep secrets you are suffering from doublethink. Something that earth shattering would not stay secret, which is the big problem with conspiracies someone will always talk in the end.

Most of the folks pushing a conspiracy are selling something be it a book or a TV show look at what is really motivating them. The more they push it the worse their books are selling.



Well lets not forget the US government are just terrorist themselves. They've used nukes when it wasn't needed, they probably assassinated JFK as he was going to end the war in Vietnam, talking of that war, that was based on a lie. At 9/11 for example, explosions were heard shortly before collapse, there are videos of this, and building 7 also collapse, even though nothing hit it. So really, the country is just one big fuck up.
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serifsansserif wrote:


orange-chan wrote:


serifsansserif wrote:


orange-chan wrote:

i don't know, I will listen to the conspiracies and keep them into my mind but i dont know whether i believe them or not. Theres this one conspiracy story keeps me thinking: a famous time traveler named John Titor has said that there might be a nuclear war in 2015 and half of the population will die. I don't know whether this is true or not but I am keeping track with the news and everything but, the ways things are going on the news...It might happen and I am really scared of that.


Steins;Gate totally disproved this. We're all safe now.

Best theory that I've heard?

AIDS was part of an eoffort to suppress anti-vietnam sentiments.

First outbreaks appeared in the 70's, approximately the same number of years after the "summer of love (1969) as its incubation period.


I like conspiracy theories and occultist theories as plot lines in stories (also check out Occult Academy for some of that if you like it), but as for real life theorists... They're generally paranoid and stupid people spouting them.

also watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hug0rfFC_L8


what? Isnt Steins;Gate some anime? How does it disprove this when the year 2015 hasn't even finished yet...


You oobviously haven't watched Steins Gate... :P

It is an anime title, and it makes several references to him as a time traveller, although I think they changed a lot. I think even one of the characters, who you find out is a time traveller, is secretly "him"...

Since you brought it up, I brought up the anime as a reference since it alluded to him a lot.

Keep your shirt on.. nothing to get defensive about.


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What's even more crazy is ignoring the fact that something might be there and getting caught off guard because you disagree with conspiracy theorists. Yea, most of it is made up and a pain, but either way you need to practice martial arts, learn to shoot guns...just in case anything happens.
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Personally I believe 99% of conspiracy theorists are nuts. The remaining 1% if they believe there to be a coverup of some kind then stay quiet, look for proof and when you have proof then you release it to the world. I hate when someone claims to have proof of something like a blurry picture or a piece of paper that just been black out.
Having said that they are fun to watch on tv just to kill time although I prefer the watching cryptozoology shows such as lost tapes
If any one interested

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lost+tapes+
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Ignorance is bliss. I don't really read these conspiracy theory so don't really know.

Warning for those people.

Don't wear god damn tinfoil hat. It actually amplify radio waves and others stuffs that many people believe it block out.

Source : Some scientific journal i read on the internet while researching for my paper. Looks legit to me.
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Well lets not forget the US government are just terrorist themselves. 1.They've used nukes when it wasn't needed, 2. they probably assassinated JFK as he was going to end the war in Vietnam, talking of that war, that was based on a lie. 3. At 9/11 for example, explosions were heard shortly before collapse, there are videos of this, and building 7 also collapse, even though nothing hit it. So really, the country is just one big fuck up.


1. That is true.

2. False. The US involvement in Vietnam during Kennedy's presidency was advisory.

3. Also false. All of that has been thoroughly debunked. Getting bombs set up in the building undetected would have been near impossible. WTC 7 was damaged by the collapse of the Towers.
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Well lets not forget the US government are just terrorist themselves. 1.They've used nukes when it wasn't needed, 2. they probably assassinated JFK as he was going to end the war in Vietnam, talking of that war, that was based on a lie. 3. At 9/11 for example, explosions were heard shortly before collapse, there are videos of this, and building 7 also collapse, even though nothing hit it. So really, the country is just one big fuck up.


1. That is true.

2. False. The US involvement in Vietnam during Kennedy's presidency was advisory.

3. Also false. All of that has been thoroughly debunked. Getting bombs set up in the building undetected would have been near impossible. WTC 7 was damaged by the collapse of the Towers.


Yeah and apparently a plane hit the side of the pentagon, I mean first of all do you know how hard it would be to fly that low to the ground, level, then hit your target? And second of all there was no sign of a plane. The only evidence they show us is that video that is potato quality and has like 3 frames. Also Building 7 wasn't damaged at all, it's not like something fell on it and it collapsed. People said when they were evacuating that building there was some fires on the top floor but nothing major, and then the building drops.

I'm not saying it's all a cover up but the official story and lack of evidence is stupid. There is just as much evidence and claims, by engineers and even the fire-fighters there that day, that now say they don't believe what their government is telling them.
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Yeah and apparently a plane hit the side of the pentagon, I mean first of all do you know how hard it would be to fly that low to the ground, level, then hit your target? And second of all there was no sign of a plane. The only evidence they show us is that video that is potato quality and has like 3 frames. Also Building 7 wasn't damaged at all, it's not like something fell on it and it collapsed. People said when they were evacuating that building there was some fires on the top floor but nothing major, and then the building drops.

I'm not saying it's all a cover up but the official story and lack of evidence is stupid. There is just as much evidence and claims, by engineers and even the fire-fighters there that day, that now say they don't believe what their government is telling them.


There was no sign of a plane hitting the Pentagon...if you discount the security camera footage, eyewitness accounts and wreckage found at the sight.

As for WTC 7, here are the facts http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.cfm
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Conspiracy Theorists annoy me. Most of them have the critical thinking skills of creationists...ie none at all.

The most annoying ones I find are the 9-11 "truthers", anti-vaxxers, and anti-flouridation nuts.
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Something like 5% of conspiracy theories are legitimate. I will bet against them every time.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


gvblackmoon wrote:


DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

Some are dumb, like there are people out there that believe the moon is a hologram, lol wtf.
Then others have more interesting facts to them, like 9/11 being a false flag just to start a war.


False flag right so which is more plausible terrorist trained to fly and than flying planes into builds that they think will bring down the American system, because they truly fail to understand how America works. This happening because the administration at the time refused to acknowledge the warnings that had been given about this possibility.

Or

The American government killing it own citizens and covering it up. Let me point out someone else has already mentioned Edward Snowden I will also point out Chelsae Manning as well as the older whistle blower Mark Felt. The US government holds a secret about as well as a sieve holds water, all it takes is one person willing to talk. If you believe it can put together a cover up for such an action and believe that it can't keep secrets you are suffering from doublethink. Something that earth shattering would not stay secret, which is the big problem with conspiracies someone will always talk in the end.

Most of the folks pushing a conspiracy are selling something be it a book or a TV show look at what is really motivating them. The more they push it the worse their books are selling.



Well lets not forget the US government are just terrorist themselves. They've used nukes when it wasn't needed, they probably assassinated JFK as he was going to end the war in Vietnam, talking of that war, that was based on a lie. At 9/11 for example, explosions were heard shortly before collapse, there are videos of this, and building 7 also collapse, even though nothing hit it. So really, the country is just one big fuck up.


Bit bitter there?

Actually it was LBJ that was working on ending the war in Vietnam, Nixon screwed that to get elected you can find LBJ on tape talking to a Republican Senator about it don't remember his name. No really look it up not joking here great audio from LBJ the man was pissed he should of had Nixon tossed in jail for it.

Please refer to the Legacy of Secrets that I post earlier for the JFK assassination it is some of the best investigation so far for that. They have dug up all the evidence and done everything possible to leave as few unanswered questions as possible. They actually followed the evidence.

As for the dropping of the atomic bombs current discoveries are changing why that was done. Until all the information is out I'm not passing judgment. Also I haven't read up on it in a long while so I'm not sure what all the current debates are.

As for building seven it doesn't take much to drop a sky scraper all you need is heat induce metal fatigue how hard is this to understand. The builds were all compromised by two things first fire which did spreed the second the collapse of the Twin towers which damage the the foundations of the plaza area. All that steel coming down causes a lot of damage all the energy has to go somewhere.

Steel while a wonderful building material but it has weaknesses it doesn't take much to exploit them.

Now to really put the cap on this I'm going to point something out if the Bush and Cheyenne knew about this others knew it as well one of those folks would have been one Scooter Libby. Old Scooter went to jail for outing Valerie Plame you don't think a guy that is about to go to jail wouldn't be willing to make a deal to get out of jail by coughing up the bigger fish? No one is that loyal, if they are they are foolish.
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I personally believe the moon landings were fake. I'm open to be proven wrong though. The major thing is I don't blindly accept what the government tells us. They use propanganda to make sure we live in fear and consumerism. Purchasing things to make us happy, that money being sent to big corporations who don't get taxed, fuelling poverty and making sure a few wealthy elite continue to make money. They would have us believe that muslims are nothing but terrorists so they can justify going to war into their countries for resources.

It pays to be aware of the effect media has on our minds.
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I personally believe the moon landings were fake. I'm open to be proven wrong though.


There are many reasons why moon landing denialists are off their rockers.

Chief among these is that given the technology of the time, it was actually easier to go to the moon for real than to fake it. Second, two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead, and for the landings to have been faked without that secret getting out would require hundreds. And that's before you get to debunking every single claim every made by a denier.

Wiki has a well-cited article on this crazy conspiracy theory.
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