Post Reply Is it okay to do something, just because it's hot
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Posted 4/11/15 , edited 4/11/15
A lot of people hate fanservice. I don't, but the main argument against it is, "It's pointless"

Well... revolutionary girl utena was full of rich symobolism, but even I can admit there's some scenes with random stuff to make it seem more surreal.. Not EVERYTHING in that show has a deeper meaning. It's just there for atmosphere.

Look at Ga-rei Zero's kiss scene. Outside of that scene, those girls are just like sisters. However, for this one pointless scene they kiss and it's really hot. Why was this scene added? Cause it was hot, that's why. It doesn't need a purpose. Most of the time yuri is depicted, it's depicted as fanservice. And is that a problem? Not really... these shows aren't getting in the way of other real yuri being made. But in mainstream anime, you got pointless girl on girl scenes.
And sometimes, something seemingly pointless can build atmosphere. Nagica Blitz Tactics is very intentionally an over-the-top, fanservicy, perverted, and wild action show. That's the purpose of the show. If you're not into unrealistic, james bond type action, and cheap panty shows, don't watch it.
In that show, you have panty shots.... ALL the time. And that's not hyperbole. I believe if you took every individual frame from this show, there would be more of them with panty shows then without them.
But what does that do? Well, other than be hot, it adds to it's over the top nature.

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with doing something for the soul purpose of getting the viewer off. Fanservice is never bad in any show... Fanservice has never halted the quality of any show, bad pacing has. If a show spends way too much time on ecchi scenes then the problem is obviously how it's paced, and not the scenes themselves.
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It is just fluff you are right it doesn't subtract anything but at the same time it doesn't add anything, and I think there is a right way and a wrong way to do fan service "well". You are limiting your audience when you do that, some people care about but others don't. I don't really give a shit either way. I just wanna watch what I watch play games I wanna play ect. Bu the thing is X% is going to watch it because it has panties and X% are NOT going to watch it. With in the visual novel community, the vn made are almost all 18+ very few are non 18+. Now for a long time I wouldn't even consider touching them cause most are just basically porn, but there are a few in the mix that have other content but still have some really heavy fan service in them. So if you are into just into the other content it becomes a war of how much needs to be in it or how little, it makes a boundary. X fanservice show might have other things that are good in it but it might not get watched because somebody isn't looking for the fanservice but the other content instead. I didn't watch index/railgun cause the first epi of railgun had really fanserive and I wasn't sure what the rest was going to be like. I rather have a mix of content rather that just fan service, that is boring and most of the time not creative. There are more creative fan service shows that others, to my knowledge DxD is a great example of it done well, I only watched 2 epi cause it isn't really my thing but it did seem more creative than the standard boob grab and random panty shots with boring paper thin cliche characters. It felt way more creative.

I mean it is really up to whatever the given person likes and is okay with, but there are certain qualities that pretty much everyone enjoys, nobody enjoys crappy art and un-creative characters regardless if you like fan service or not, but shows with high fan service shows usually do not focus on those things cause they just want easy money. Can't think of a plot? or a funny joke? just add more fan service that is not a good thing for sure.
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It is just fluff you are right it doesn't subtract anything but at the same time it doesn't add anything, and I think there is a right way and a wrong way to do fan service "well". You are limiting your audience when you do that, some people care about but others don't. I don't really give a shit either way. I just wanna watch what I watch play games I wanna play ect. Bu the thing is X% is going to watch it because it has panties and X% are NOT going to watch it. With in the visual novel community, the vn made are almost all 18+ very few are non 18+. Now for a long time I wouldn't even consider touching them cause most are just basically porn, but there are a few in the mix that have other content but still have some really heavy fan service in them. So if you are into just into the other content it becomes a war of how much needs to be in it or how little, it makes a boundary. X fanservice show might have other things that are good in it but it might not get watched because somebody isn't looking for the fanservice but the other content instead. I didn't watch index/railgun cause the first epi of railgun had really fanserive and I wasn't sure what the rest was going to be like. I rather have a mix of content rather that just fan service, that is boring and most of the time not creative. There are more creative fan service shows that others, to my knowledge DxD is a great example of it done well, I only watched 2 epi cause it isn't really my thing but it did seem more creative than the standard boob grab and random panty shots with boring paper thin cliche characters. It felt way more creative.

I mean it is really up to whatever the given person likes and is okay with, but there are certain qualities that pretty much everyone enjoys, nobody enjoys crappy art and un-creative characters regardless if you like fan service or not, but shows with high fan service shows usually do not focus on those things cause they just want easy money. Can't think of a plot? or a funny joke? just add more fan service that is not a good thing for sure.


Come to think about it...I can say fanservice can be bad.

IF it's inconsistent with the desires of the target audiance... A shonen show with lots of male fanservice, or a shoujo show with lots of female fanservice for example... Then it would be repulsive to the people ti's meant for
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I have no issues with fan service as long as A.) it's appropriate for the content it's put of and B.) there is more than going on than just fan service. As for A, that's sort of where my biggest real issue with fan service comes in. If your content features really young characters (or just really young looking characters), fan service can be at best in very bad taste. There's also content where fan service, regardless of the characters involved, just feels like it actually detracts from the content. As for B, I realize that's just personal preference. I legitimately like fan service in small doses and in good, appropriate uses but for me there needs to be more than just fan service to the content. If the whole point of your content revolves around showing T&A with only the flimsiest pretense of something else going on then I just likely won't be into it (and if all I wanted was T&A I could easily find it elsewhere).
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Come to think about it...I can say fanservice can be bad.

IF it's inconsistent with the desires of the target audiance... A shonen show with lots of male fanservice, or a shoujo show with lots of female fanservice for example... Then it would be repulsive to the people ti's meant for


that is kind of the thing I am talking about the desires of the target audience gets split from fan service and not. There are many levels of it ranging from absurd to very little. Most people don't mind a little but they just want more that just fan service. A bad show will use it just to sell, they realize they don't have anything of any worth so they slap a bunch of fan service on it and hopes it sales, this is bad imo. Nobody wants their junkie story so they basically say "no these fan service people want our bad story cause we have fan service." They dump you with bad writing and what not. Why can't you have good writing and just a tad of it? have a story and drop it here and there but not much.

The thing is nobody can agree with what is too much or too little, or what "everyone wants". What people can agree on is a good story... good characters. It is a tad bad because it promotes not being creative and just giving people what they want. A story like fate/stay is fine, they came from 18+ material but the story alone without that is still good. If it was just fan service it wouldn't of made it where it is today. Cause people seeking 18+ material read it for the 18+ stuff but then they saw the other stuff in it, and realized it was good with or without it. It set it apart from the others that just had tons of fan service. Fan service is like a hook, but if you just hook them once and don't reel them in (give them quality story characters ect,) it is probably going to flop when it hits wider audiences or not stick with them, if you don't have more. Lets say we make a bishie anime.... now depending on how much or how little fan service there is, will determine if you watch it or not correct? but if it has something else you want in it (ex good story theme you like), the fanservice in that girl aimed show may bar you off from getting to what you want correct? It is kind of a double edged sword. It is okay but also kind of bad. You lose people as well...

Also one last thing fan service can kind of expand to other things, like the whole mmo thing going on right now, that is just targeting demograhpic as well, its okay to do it but you need more than just that target audience, the maker can't rely on just it.
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here is a fun fact.

Certain ero anime studios have actually cut out the non-ero scenes of all their products and made a compilation of just ero scenes and re-released the combined anime.

So... To answer you, yes.
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I thought this was in the wrong section. Then I read it was about anime... well there goes what I was gonna say on the subject as someone who as delved into sin at times (when the stars align).

As for fanservice, I could live without it. If it actually serves a purpose directly related to the plot, then sure, throw it in there (Punch Line comes to mind for this) but otherwise I don't really want it. It creates and further perpetuates the stigma of anime and those who watch it. I say that the less of that stigma the better.

Same goes for Harems, that crap can die in a fire. Not all harems are bad, but the good ones are waaay too rare. I've read or watched 3 (tops) out of the nearly 600 series I've watched or read and half of those inadvertently become harems. Two of those are getting animated this year (Jitsu wa and Monster Musume). So yeah, harems can burn for their BS.
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It's okay to imagine anything for any reason, especially when you can blame it on the heat. The heat makes people do strange things.



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