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Um, I was of the opinion there's hope, and while not eye-to-eye for the most part it wasn't too divergent from your own. You're not alone , I haven't given up either.


I mean, my primary point was that people aren't bad or evil, rather than just saying that there is hope.
Posted 4/12/15

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Dark_Childe wrote:

Um, I was of the opinion there's hope, and while not eye-to-eye for the most part it wasn't too divergent from your own. You're not alone , I haven't given up either.


I mean, my primary point was that people aren't bad or evil, rather than just saying that there is hope.


I know what you're getting at, but rather than butt heads with you on Original Sin, my emphasis is more on hope. Sorry, but however we get there pointing out distinctions rather than work together isn't the way for progress.
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Dark_Childe wrote:


Schmooples wrote:


Dark_Childe wrote:

Um, I was of the opinion there's hope, and while not eye-to-eye for the most part it wasn't too divergent from your own. You're not alone , I haven't given up either.


I mean, my primary point was that people aren't bad or evil, rather than just saying that there is hope.


I know what you're getting at, but rather than butt heads with you on Original Sin, my emphasis is more on hope. Sorry, but however we get there pointing out distinctions rather than work together isn't the way for progress.


It's just a little insulting, I feel, to be called evil or to be accused of naturally leaning that way. I'm not sure why people hold to it so strongly. I don't really want to butt heads on the topic either, really, but if people are naturally evil, how can major social advancement really be expected? That's what I don't really understand.
Posted 4/12/15

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Dark_Childe wrote:


Schmooples wrote:


Dark_Childe wrote:

Um, I was of the opinion there's hope, and while not eye-to-eye for the most part it wasn't too divergent from your own. You're not alone , I haven't given up either.


I mean, my primary point was that people aren't bad or evil, rather than just saying that there is hope.


I know what you're getting at, but rather than butt heads with you on Original Sin, my emphasis is more on hope. Sorry, but however we get there pointing out distinctions rather than work together isn't the way for progress.


It's just a little insulting, I feel, to be called evil or to be accused of naturally leaning that way. I'm not sure why people hold to it so strongly. I don't really want to butt heads on the topic either, really, but if people are naturally evil, how can major social advancement really be expected? That's what I don't really understand.


I guess one way is to put aside differences for a moment and focus less on the negative and more on the positive, for instance what we can do to understand one another better. Negotiations break down when the parties involves can't find a common ground and reconcile that although we have fundamental differences we all want prosperity and peace. If not, there's no point in talking because we can't get anywhere. I mean people, not me and you.
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Schmooples wrote:

It's just a little insulting, I feel, to be called evil or to be accused of naturally leaning that way. I'm not sure why people hold to it so strongly. I don't really want to butt heads on the topic either, really, but if people are naturally evil, how can major social advancement really be expected? That's what I don't really understand.


I guess one way is to put aside differences for a moment and focus less on the negative and more on the positive, for instance what we can do to understand one another better. Negotiations break down when the parties involves can't find a common ground and reconcile that although we have fundamental differences we all want prosperity and peace. If not, there's no point in talking because we can't get anywhere. I mean people, not me and you. :)


Seems to me that if people are able to do that, they aren't naturally evil. Seems to me that someone who is evil wouldn't want peace or prosperity and would instead be happier with a world of suffering.

Anyyyways, I feel pretty bad for pretty much taking over every thread and arguing for the past few days, so I'll just shut up now. I'm really not that confrontational of a person, I just like to understand things, as well as stick up for certain groups.
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Schmooples wrote:


Dark_Childe wrote:


Schmooples wrote:

It's just a little insulting, I feel, to be called evil or to be accused of naturally leaning that way. I'm not sure why people hold to it so strongly. I don't really want to butt heads on the topic either, really, but if people are naturally evil, how can major social advancement really be expected? That's what I don't really understand.


I guess one way is to put aside differences for a moment and focus less on the negative and more on the positive, for instance what we can do to understand one another better. Negotiations break down when the parties involves can't find a common ground and reconcile that although we have fundamental differences we all want prosperity and peace. If not, there's no point in talking because we can't get anywhere. I mean people, not me and you. :)


Seems to me that if people are able to do that, they aren't naturally evil. Seems to me that someone who is evil wouldn't want peace or prosperity and would instead be happier with a world of suffering.

Anyyyways, I feel pretty bad for pretty much taking over every thread and arguing for the past few days, so I'll just shut up now. I'm really not that confrontational of a person, I just like to understand things, as well as stick up for certain groups.


Humanity to me is kind of a difficult term to assess. It's hard to weigh one part of humanity against the other, because I think our human condition is important as well. I can only describe my concept of humanity in terms of extremely broad agreements and means to ends.

The first kind of agreement is made by humans, only concerning humans, and the means are intended to only affect humans. It feels like we're getting better at this from my viewpoint, even if it doesn't quite measure up.

The second kind of agreement is made by humans, only concerning humans, and the means are intended to exploit something that is not human for the benefit of humanity (or that is human, for the benefit of something that is more important than humanity.) We have been, and most likely will always be simultaneously very good and very bad at this, but the scorecard says bad.

The third type of agreement is means of using humanity in order to reach an ends in a disagreement. It's always felt strange to me that the best and worst case scenarios always hinge on the concept of "agree to disagree."

But agree to disagree only works on a small scale. A long winded argument that nobody cares about, not much danger. Two armies agree to disagree, and there you have the worst solution.

I think humanity is agreeable, but also very ready to agree, especially if it's because they all disagree with something. And these can be the most violent agreements. I think everybody should disagree more.

My overall assessment is hatred for humanity. In an honest assessment, it can't matter if I like the people. Was anybody really expecting different?
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Don't know what to think of humanity. Majority of them are so confusing that I just don't even know how to feel about.


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I think that people have been obsessed with the idea that they are entitled to a comfortable life. People live mainly for themselves and generally don't care about what their actions mean. Of course not everybody is like that, but greed will only grow with time. As someone who loves animals and wants to do wildlife conservation I think I understand that humanity is a threat to the earth. This is a massive shame because we have the capacity to do so much more than laze around liking posts on facebook or uploading photos of meals to instagram.

Instead of trying to learn and understand one another, we fight countless wars over what we believe is "right" or for resources to fuel our greedy life styles. If there's something that humanity lacks, it's understanding, an understanding that arguing will only drive us to destruction. This lack of understanding just piles up with our growing population and places a massive burden on the earth and the innocent wildlife who had the misfortune of crossing paths with human greed.

It really makes me sad to see that we're killing the planet in almost every possible way. I look at the things that people are capable of, the good within us all, and then I see the much more prevalent selfish nature of us all (some are really bad considering there are hateful tweets about homeless people, insulting them because of their unfortunate circumstances). We can try to do our best as much as we want, but there will always be people who are only looking out for themselves. I really want to love humanity, but the reality is that our hands are stained beyond recognition.


I'd say it all sums up to this line from Entertainment by Rise Against

"All we are is entertainment, caught up in our own derangement." We can run from reality as much as we want, but our actions will always catch up with us in the end.
Posted 4/12/15
in modern times, war happens when enough sheep gather around a revolutionary.

that's all there is to it.
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Is there going to be another war? Of course there will be. History repeats itself (please forgive me for the truism.) When and with whom I can not say but as long as there are people, there will be wars. Why? If you don't know the answer to that please allow me to fill you in. Money,Dough,Moola,Dinero, that would be the main reason why.

As for what I think of humanity. I'am not sure what I think really.
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I think saying humanity is headed towards conflict is like saying someone's going to eat icecream.
Humans are all about keeping afloat by pulling others down, so we'll either die out by our own hand or make a conscious decision to live peacefully.
I think peace is the really far in the future but going to happen because communication is key to this and that sort of technology is taking leap and bounds we no longer accept racism because our ability to communicate with other countries makes it too easy to relate with someone on the other side of the world.
I also expect humans will have a feeding cycle with killer whales, they eat us as hunt them and the trees eat everything.
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There is going to be a war over fresh, drinkable water pretty soon. Like within the next 20-30 years. It's already happening down in South America and it's only a matter of time till it hits China, SE Asia, the Middle East and a few other places. The only places on Earth right now that can sustain their water consumption is North America, Europe, Russia, Japan and maybe Southern Africa
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I think a really really terrible event needs to happen that kills off more then 60% of the world population to finally see what we are doing.

But the way I see it we will destroy our selfs. Maybe wars between people won't change but the tools do. Back in the Medieval times we used arrows now we have nukes.

Next year my country has elections for a new parliament leaders EXCEPT none of them are trust worthy or have good statements.

We need laws that if a party leader doesn't complete his promises we will be send to jail.

Humans sometimes think that they are grown adults but actually they are just like children spoiled and don't care about the consequences.
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I believe that people are born bad and get progressively worse throughout their lives and frankly, the world would be much better off if humanity were to be wiped out of existence. I've already planned to spend the rest of my life simply watching anime, playing video games etc. and wait until the next great war begins so I can say "I told you so".
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I believe humanities future will ultimately be a positive one. We struggle towards a better place and though we stumble and make mistakes we do learn from them. It might take centuries, millennia even but we will make progress, we will get to a better place than we are today.

We have accomplished amazing things and to often we overlook the good we have achieved, I think humans naturally assign a unfair weight to negative results. We are living in the most peaceful time in human history when compared to our population, its easy to forget that. The media coverage means we are more aware of the negative sides of humanity than ever before, no more are those victim of Ebola or Aids faceless nameless people months or years travel away. No more are we separated from the horrors of war, told only in the past on the faces of those who survive.

Things may seem dark but we will not surrender to that darkness.

I am a better man today than I was in the past, if change is possible in the individual then it is in the whole.
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