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Posted 4/13/15

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history classes tend to be biased in favor of the country in which the subject is taught, so i kinda understand why certain historical facts
are not brought into attention or just skimmed over. not that i agree with it.


What do you mean by "kinda".

this is just pure speculation, as i have never been a middle/high school student in Japan, but
things such as war crimes are probably not brought into focus to prevent anti-nationalism (is that even a word..?) sentiments from the younger generation.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

this is just pure speculation, as i have never been a middle/high school student in Japan, but
things such as war crimes are probably not brought into focus to prevent anti-nationalism (is that even a word..?) sentiments from the younger generation.


Probably not. Same as how the full extent of what happened to the Native Americans isn't taught in most public schools in America.
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As someone already said, had we not nuked Japan after firebombing the shit out of them (which killed more civilians that both the atomic bombs combined) Japan would be a US base to keep an eye on Russia and China. The Japanese people of today wouldn't exist, they'd look American. Japanese would become a dead language.

You think Japan getting nuked was a terrible thing? Hell no. Our main targets in those bombings were military factories to further cripple the Japanese war machine that was already dying out. Civilians got hit, that's what happens in Total War. It's a no-holds barred fight on a global scale. Unless there is a treaty specifically stated that you can't use a type of weapon or tactic (chemical weapons and trench warfare for example) you use the biggest, most powerful weapons in your arsenal.

Operation Downfall would have literally been Genocide due to the fanatical ideology of the Japanese population at that time. It was either nuke them or wipe them off the face of the planet. Given all the technological advances that have occurred due to Japan (huge advances in Satellite and robotic technology for example) I think the US made the right choice in dropping the nukes.

Japan still has a really screwy mentality in the present with working, apathy to suicide, public appearances, attitude towards foreigners (to call them Xenophobic racists is an understatement. They hate just about any race except for Caucasians),disregard for their neighbor's lives (there have been cases where a neighbor will literally here someone getting murdered and do nothing to help until its way too late, like they don't even bother to call the police). But it's better than the grade-AAA crazy from the WW2 era.

Since I'm pretty sure I went off on a tangent for a bit, to answer the OP's question. No, they don't have the right to complain. Hell the reason the don't absolutely hate the US is because they know 2 things:

1.) They would have dropped the bombs on us given the chance
2.) Had we not bombed them, they know their entire race would have been wiped out of the gene pool.

If they don't like that we nuked them and wanna play the victim, the need to own up to EVERY. SINGLE. THING. they pulled in WW2. Bataan Death March (they still deny this), human experimentation, the mass rapings of women of Korea and China, chemical warfare on China and so much other crap.
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I think everyone has the right to complain about any atomic bomb droppings aside from it taking lives it also irradiates everything around it and anything "down wind" from it is also irradiated. It was wrong to drop those bombs thousands of innocent people were killed in a instant, if they sent soldiers instead then less would of died.
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If you think the Japanese are complaining about ww2 then you should watch "Grave of the Fireflies". what does the line in it mean "Why didn't you just apoligize?" oh yea make sure you have some tissues when you watch it. [/quote Excellent anime.
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okay, some facts from history.
first off, an invasion of japan would have destroyed the people. take saipan as an example. the military was defeated, and the citizens, about 3000 or them, commited suicide. bombing hiruoshima and nakasaki was cold and calulated, but in the end, defeated the fanatical japanese. allah akbar is a modren word that seems to fit the ww2 japanese.

second off, war crimes. unit 731 springs to mind. there getting off from punishment was the doing of gen MacArthur. he made the deal to let them off in exchange for their data on bio warfare.

third off, hirohito was ready to *formaly apologize* to macarthur, but the general would not see him.
the emperor was ready to say to assume responsiblity for the war, but was denied by american forces. i dunno. maybe MacArthur didnt understand the weight of an apology in japan or something like that.

so do they have the right to complain? id say yes, mostly for reason #3.
not that anyone ever has.
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As someone already said, had we not nuked Japan after firebombing the shit out of them (which killed more civilians that both the atomic bombs combined) Japan would be a US base to keep an eye on Russia and China. The Japanese people of today wouldn't exist, they'd look American. Japanese would become a dead language.

You think Japan getting nuked was a terrible thing? Hell no. Our main targets in those bombings were military factories to further cripple the Japanese war machine that was already dying out. Civilians got hit, that's what happens in Total War. It's a no-holds barred fight on a global scale. Unless there is a treaty specifically stated that you can't use a type of weapon or tactic (chemical weapons and trench warfare for example) you use the biggest, most powerful weapons in your arsenal.

Operation Downfall would have literally been Genocide due to the fanatical ideology of the Japanese population at that time. It was either nuke them or wipe them off the face of the planet. Given all the technological advances that have occurred due to Japan (huge advances in Satellite and robotic technology for example) I think the US made the right choice in dropping the nukes.

Japan still has a really screwy mentality in the present with working, apathy to suicide, public appearances, attitude towards foreigners (to call them Xenophobic racists is an understatement. They hate just about any race except for Caucasians),disregard for their neighbor's lives (there have been cases where a neighbor will literally here someone getting murdered and do nothing to help until its way too late, like they don't even bother to call the police). But it's better than the grade-AAA crazy from the WW2 era.

Since I'm pretty sure I went off on a tangent for a bit, to answer the OP's question. No, they don't have the right to complain. Hell the reason the don't absolutely hate the US is because they know 2 things:

1.) They would have dropped the bombs on us given the chance
2.) Had we not bombed them, they know their entire race would have been wiped out of the gene pool.

If they don't like that we nuked them and wanna play the victim, the need to own up to EVERY. SINGLE. THING. they pulled in WW2. Bataan Death March (they still deny this), human experimentation, the mass rapings of women of Korea and China, chemical warfare on China and so much other crap.


Spoken like a true delusional patriot. I guess military officers and the majority of the world are wrong, and you are right on this subject.


Rippedyanu1 wrote:

As someone already said, had we not nuked Japan after firebombing the shit out of them (which killed more civilians that both the atomic bombs combined) Japan would be a US base to keep an eye on Russia and China. The Japanese people of today wouldn't exist, they'd look American. Japanese would become a dead language.


Uhh no, this is your little fantasy made up with assumptions.


Rippedyanu1 wrote:
You think Japan getting nuked was a terrible thing? Hell no. Our main targets in those bombings were military factories to further cripple the Japanese war machine that was already dying out. Civilians got hit, that's what happens in Total War. It's a no-holds barred fight on a global scale. Unless there is a treaty specifically stated that you can't use a type of weapon or tactic (chemical weapons and trench warfare for example) you use the biggest, most powerful weapons in your arsenal.


Yet I bet you cry like 9/11 was the worst thing to ever of happened to you. Was that surprise attack also a 'tactic' or don't that count? Also US soldiers killed children and raped in Vietnam, they've lobotomised soldiers suffering from PTSD and all kinds of other shit to.

And then the rest of your comment is generalizations of Japan, even though you clearly never been there. I'm pretty sure in today's world the US is a lot worse and suffers more problems, so get off your imaginary high horse.
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Punishing civilians for crimes their government did is never the answer. People who try to justify the mass murder of civilians and the damage done to the land by radiation either don't know history or they have a few screws loose. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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50 million+ troops not including civies (mostly in russia) died in this war only about 4million Japanese..Ending it quickly is/was 100% justifiable, but yes people will debate it forever. It is probably a fact that display of the bombs force stopped future nuclear engagements so far, the real threat is what happens after it is forgotten almost completely in a few generations...

Probably noone on this board can actually imagine what a war like this feels like no part of the world was "safe" tension was a way of life for several years and people/families were dying in mass everyday... and most of the naysayers sound like those fools from organizations like PETA..
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Hey! The United States never dropped two atomic bombs on Japan! That's just political hype created by Japanese folks that say they never brutalized the countries they never actually invaded!

I think building management should clean-up the atomic pigeon droppings. It's unsightly. I'd complain...
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exactly. Japan hasnt been at war since world war two and im pretty sure they apologized enough already. they know what they did and now they have totally different leaders in office with no thought of going to war (hopefully stays like that) why doesnt germany apologize every year for their role in the war? hell lets throw italy in there while we are at it psssh.

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Where is this thread coming from anyway? Has Japan been making a lot of public complaints about the bombs recently?

I feel like they owned up to WW2 stuff a long time ago already. In their own way. There have been some lackings with public apology for specific things such as comfort women and the nanking massacre that people complain about still. But I think they were pretty sincere in trying to embrace peace now over militarism. It doesn't look like it was done for show since they still have self imposed limitations in place on their military, even in a time when the US would probably just as well prefer otherwise.




Well, recently Japan has been trying to deny everything that happened during the war. Lots of conflict has been going on involving Abe and the political party recently.

http://time.com/5546/japanese-nhk-officials-world-war-ii/

http://thediplomat.com/2015/01/remorse-without-apology-shinzo-abe-and-the-second-world-war/

I'm by no means highly educated in this but, this is whats been going on recently to my understanding.
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How people can justify the use of atomic bombs when Japan was losing at the time is beyond me. There are families still feeling the effects of the radiation today, half a century later. It was no more than a test, condeming innocent people as lab rats.
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namealreadytaken wrote:


Shrapnel893 wrote:


namealreadytaken wrote:

history classes tend to be biased in favor of the country in which the subject is taught, so i kinda understand why certain historical facts
are not brought into attention or just skimmed over. not that i agree with it.


What do you mean by "kinda".

this is just pure speculation, as i have never been a middle/high school student in Japan, but
things such as war crimes are probably not brought into focus to prevent anti-nationalism (is that even a word..?) sentiments from the younger generation.


I recall reading an article about China getting pissed cause they found out new textbooks omitted/severely downplayed Japanese war crimes in WWII, so yeah I'd assume that's a thing. Though to be fair that's a thing in pretty much every country to varying degrees.

Back to the main topic, while I don't think the atomic bombs where the so-called right choice, I'm not sure if the other options would have been any better. The other options being an invasion of Japan, or the acceptance of a conditional surrender (the Allies wanted unconditional surrenders from the Axis powers, Japan was at this point willing to talk, but negotiations usually mean conditional surrenders).

An invasion of Japan would have been just as if not more destructive, with the destruction most likely being even more widespread, but without that whole radiation thing. I would also like to remind people that whether or not the US decided to drop the A bomb, if they really were set on unconditional surrender, more people probably would have died(the bombing of Dresden in Germany actually resulted in more civilian casualties than either of the A-bombs).

I think the real issue is whether or not an unconditional surrender was worth the cost in human life, and while I know many people will have the gut reaction of "totally not, all life is precious," keep in mind that many people blamed WWII on how WWI ended in a conditional surrender, allowing the Germans to start WWII due to not being totally crushed, and thus the logical thing to do would be to absolutely crush the Axis powers in the perspective of the Allies. Now the common perception is more that the Treaty of Versailles was a a failure because it was too harsh, but that wasn't the common idea during WWII. Personally, I believe that from a moral standpoint the refusal of conditional standpoint was wrong, but from a practical standpoint the A-bomb was the most effective, and ,ironically, least destructive(at least in the short term, but also possibly in the long term as well) method for the Allies to secure their goals.

TLDR: think of things in perspective
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Japan as a whole is not denying its role in the war at all, as in all nations you have the brainless individuals who will still support what japan(or any nation) did in the war (most likely due to not being educated or believe what the internet or whoever tells them) and others who knew what happened and will never repeat it again and spread the word on what happened. But heres my final opinion/statement on this matter: Yes they need to keep in mind what happens in the past and make sure it never repeats itself by teaching the children and to just move on already. This is the 21st century the generation of world war two is about to have its final curtain (sadly interesting generation) and we need to stop holding grudges on entire NEW GENERATIONS for what their ancestors did in the past. to which they had no control of. This is a new era and generation of people with way different mindsets. Its gonna be rather neanderthal state of mind if we keep holding a whos more pissed off at each other contest in 40 years on this same issue. Point is: New people, different mindsets, create a new peace and world with them and just get along.

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Ninja_Pro92 wrote:

exactly. Japan hasnt been at war since world war two and im pretty sure they apologized enough already. they know what they did and now they have totally different leaders in office with no thought of going to war (hopefully stays like that) why doesnt germany apologize every year for their role in the war? hell lets throw italy in there while we are at it psssh.

Balzack wrote:

Where is this thread coming from anyway? Has Japan been making a lot of public complaints about the bombs recently?

I feel like they owned up to WW2 stuff a long time ago already. In their own way. There have been some lackings with public apology for specific things such as comfort women and the nanking massacre that people complain about still. But I think they were pretty sincere in trying to embrace peace now over militarism. It doesn't look like it was done for show since they still have self imposed limitations in place on their military, even in a time when the US would probably just as well prefer otherwise.




Well, recently Japan has been trying to deny everything that happened during the war. Lots of conflict has been going on involving Abe and the political party recently.

http://time.com/5546/japanese-nhk-officials-world-war-ii/

http://thediplomat.com/2015/01/remorse-without-apology-shinzo-abe-and-the-second-world-war/

I'm by no means highly educated in this but, this is whats been going on recently to my understanding.


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The reason emperor hirohito wasnt going to be accepted for the wars happenings was because general mcarther knew that the japanese ppl at the time saw this man as a saint and almost godlike and he felt that if they treated him with war crimes the entire culture would descend into madness. Sad truth was hirohito was the only man keeping japan from going into total civil war at the time! and that would be a huge problem the united states would have to face. who knows what would have happend?

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okay, some facts from history.
first off, an invasion of japan would have destroyed the people. take saipan as an example. the military was defeated, and the citizens, about 3000 or them, commited suicide. bombing hiruoshima and nakasaki was cold and calulated, but in the end, defeated the fanatical japanese. allah akbar is a modren word that seems to fit the ww2 japanese.

second off, war crimes. unit 731 springs to mind. there getting off from punishment was the doing of gen MacArthur. he made the deal to let them off in exchange for their data on bio warfare.

third off, hirohito was ready to *formaly apologize* to macarthur, but the general would not see him.
the emperor was ready to say to assume responsiblity for the war, but was denied by american forces. i dunno. maybe MacArthur didnt understand the weight of an apology in japan or something like that.

so do they have the right to complain? id say yes, mostly for reason #3.
not that anyone ever has.




i agree! but its also wrong to blame an entire nations present generations on what their ancestors did. and besides all the war crimes where military issues! civilians had nothing to do with it!

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Punishing civilians for crimes their government did is never the answer. People who try to justify the mass murder of civilians and the damage done to the land by radiation either don't know history or they have a few screws loose. Two wrongs don't make a right.


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