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How people can justify the use of atomic bombs when Japan was losing at the time is beyond me. There are families still feeling the effects of the radiation today, half a century later. It was no more than a test, condeming innocent people as lab rats.


Your family wasn't island hopping at the time now were they?



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You already know my answer to this, Jacky.


I've spent too much of my adult life learning about WWII, from the POV of the Axis and the Allies, and, to be honest, it was at the very least, a necessary evil.


The United States went in after that "rebuilt " Japan up from the bottom, and in 15-20 years they were an accepted world power again. We didn't just obliterate them and leave them to rot. General George MacArthur was the man who was sent in there and helped to rebuild the nation. He was there for 6 years, from 1945 to 1951. After he came back to the US, he said,


The Japanese people since the war have undergone the greatest reformation recorded in modern history. With a commendable will, eagerness to learn, and marked capacity to understand, they have from the ashes left in war's wake erected in Japan an edifice dedicated to the supremacy of individual liberty and personal dignity, and in the ensuing process there has been created a truly representative government committed to the advance of political morality, freedom of economic enterprise, and social justice




Sometimes, it takes absolute drastic measures to end something that is absolutely drastic in itself. There's a black, and a white, and most importantly a gray. We need to look at all three sides to figure out what the truth is.


Edit: Just to riff off what Noah-sama here is saying with this link -- http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/04/10-1/young-hayao-miyazaki-shares-some-thoughts-on-america

Miyazaki is a cranky old man. The same sort of thought patterns he has are the same ones that keep racism alive. The sins of the father are not placed on the son, and if they were, both the US and Japan would be viewed far differently than are. And that's just the truth. No country is country is perfect. Be it Japan during WWII, or the US during WWII, it's unfair to feel that way toward an entire nation. If everyone felt that way we'd be living in a world of war.....Oh wait.....
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Complain about an atomic bomb dropped on them? Wouldn't you.
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You sir, get the award for greatest post on here. this was a great point!

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You already know my answer to this, Jacky.


I've spent too much of my adult life learning about WWII, from the POV of the Axis and the Allies, and, to be honest, it was at the very least, a necessary evil.


The United States went in after that "rebuilt " Japan up from the bottom, and in 15-20 years they were an accepted world power again. We didn't just obliterate them and leave them to rot. General George MacArthur was the man who was sent in there and helped to rebuild the nation. He was there for 6 years, from 1945 to 1951. After he came back to the US, he said,


The Japanese people since the war have undergone the greatest reformation recorded in modern history. With a commendable will, eagerness to learn, and marked capacity to understand, they have from the ashes left in war's wake erected in Japan an edifice dedicated to the supremacy of individual liberty and personal dignity, and in the ensuing process there has been created a truly representative government committed to the advance of political morality, freedom of economic enterprise, and social justice




Sometimes, it takes absolute drastic measures to end something that is absolutely drastic in itself. There's a black, and a white, and most importantly a gray. We need to look at all three sides to figure out what the truth is.


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The bombs that hit Nagasaki and Hiroshima killed 129,000 to 250,000 people in an instant, it was terrible. But to still complain and have hatred on others this many years later is wrong. We have many new Generations of people and if people keep holding on to things like this they will never move forward.

And if you ever take a minute to look at the Death toll of World War 2, you will be really surprised of which countries lost the most, and they say we lost 3% of the worlds population in that War. 20+ million soviets died , japan 2-3mil.. Go look it up.

And the people who say the bomb saved more lives then if we invaded them, its probably true. Just imagine being invaded, everyone killing Everyone. That's what happened in the soviet union and look how many died.. IT sad to say but the Atomic Bomb put fear into people and that is **probably** what made them give up.

And in the end, me as an American who didn't live during the attack on pearl harbor or ww2, i have no issues with Japan, i enjoy there food, anime, and culture. Cause i wasn't taught to hate them and i hold no grudge towards them. I shouldn't, just like they shouldn't.
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Punishing civilians for crimes their government did is never the answer. People who try to justify the mass murder of civilians and the damage done to the land by radiation either don't know history or they have a few screws loose. Two wrongs don't make a right.


im not saying the nuking was right, just that there might have not been another way.
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The only good that came out of this was that every nation on the planet was scared of triggering a nuclear war afterwards. I doubt that was one of the intended messages at the time, though.
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You sir, get the award for greatest post on here. this was a great point!

AiYumega wrote:

You already know my answer to this, Jacky.


I've spent too much of my adult life learning about WWII, from the POV of the Axis and the Allies, and, to be honest, it was at the very least, a necessary evil.


The United States went in after that "rebuilt " Japan up from the bottom, and in 15-20 years they were an accepted world power again. We didn't just obliterate them and leave them to rot. General George MacArthur was the man who was sent in there and helped to rebuild the nation. He was there for 6 years, from 1945 to 1951. After he came back to the US, he said,


The Japanese people since the war have undergone the greatest reformation recorded in modern history. With a commendable will, eagerness to learn, and marked capacity to understand, they have from the ashes left in war's wake erected in Japan an edifice dedicated to the supremacy of individual liberty and personal dignity, and in the ensuing process there has been created a truly representative government committed to the advance of political morality, freedom of economic enterprise, and social justice




Sometimes, it takes absolute drastic measures to end something that is absolutely drastic in itself. There's a black, and a white, and most importantly a gray. We need to look at all three sides to figure out what the truth is.




This was a good post but there is one thing that I just can not leave alone... MacArthur's name was Douglas...
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I personally think everyone should stop complaining about the war, and 9/11.. It is in the past, we learned from the horrible things and now we should move on. done is done.
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Japan needs to admit to the over 10 million brutal Isis style murders, rapes, torture, human experimentation etc. across Asia and what they did to global POW's before calling out America.

Japan goes on and on about innocent people losing their lives in the bombings...What about the millions upon millions of innocent people who lost their lives thanks to the outrageous, inhumane cruelty of Japan?

Japan - the first nation in Asia to use firebombs and kill thousands - but they're only talking about American firebombing.

Japan - the nation that had an army so cruel that even their allies - the Nazi Empire of Germany had people condemning them, and calling them sub humans. Yes, even the NAZIS. John Rabe for instance, anyone? Rape of Nanking?

Japan - the nation that to this day refuses to allow any movies/etc. showcasing the cruelty of the Empire of Japan - YET they (Japan) exports stuff like Grave of the Fireflies. What, we can only have history from one point of view? Yeah, tell that to the Philippines, Korea, China, Asia on a whole and tons of POW's from all over.

Speaking of POW's - let us not forget the fact that of all the countries, POW's held captive by the Japanese Army had the HIGHEST death rate AND the highest mental problems rate.

Finally, Japan should have just admitted defeat before America dropped the second bomb - ONLY after RUSSIA (the Soviet Union) declared war on Japan, did the Japanese Empire finally give in.

EDIT:

People on here are super quick to jump to the defense of Japan - yet those same people are quick to call out for example, Turkey's refusal to truly admit to the horrific rapes and graphic murders of the 1915 Armenian Genocide that killed over one million during WW1!

Hypocrites!

Japan refusing to teach or truly admit their war crimes would be like Germany denying the Holocaust, Canada-America-South America-Australia all denying the treatment of Natives, Russia denying the Gulags, Cambodia denying what Pol Pot did, Britian denying their Colonial Crimes for centuries, etc. etc.

Sure, I like Japan. They have so many good points to their culture both in the past and today.

Their denial of war crimes isn't one of them.

I strongly dislike their outright denial of war crimes and their very one sided approach to history that goes on in their schools and their media. Any person who has taught in Japan from outside of Japan will readily tell you so. This is an open secret, not me going on and on with no basis.

Even most recently (2014) - the movie Unbroken which is based on the true story of Louis Zamperini who survived the brutality of a Japanese Pow camp - was protested against in Japan by some who said it would shed a bad light on Japan.

Just imagine if for instance, Germany refused to show a movie about the Holocaust in their country and protested against it. Protesting Schindler's List anyone?


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The use of atomic weapons was the fastest way to end the war, and the best outcome for Japan. The US was preparing a massive invasion of the mainland from the south, while the USSR was going to strike from the north. The US was preparing for well over a million casualties in the event of a full scale invasion, on their side alone, let alone the USSR, and the Japanese themselves. Plus with a joint US-USSR invasion we would have had a similar outcome to what happened in Germany split into East and West, and in Korea by North and South. While yes atomic/nuclear/thermonuclear weapons cause mass devastation, and leave the survivors sickened by radiation, it still by far the best way to end the war. It limited casualties to roughly 100,000(civilians, though the targets were industrial centers, not civilian population centers) and prevented the further spread of the Stalin era Communist ideology. Also it showed the world just how terrifying nukes are, and may well have prevented the cold war from going hot.


Pretty much though the numbers of casualties might be a bit low to the total numbers.
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Japan needs to admit to the over 10 million brutal Isis style murders, rapes, torture, human experimentation etc. across Asia and what they did to global POW's before calling out America.

Japan goes on and on about innocent people losing their lives in the bombings...What about the millions upon millions of innocent people who lost their lives thanks to the outrageous, inhumane cruelty of Japan?

Japan - the first nation in Asia to use firebombs and kill thousands - but they're only talking about American firebombing.

Japan - the nation that had an army so cruel that even their allies - the Nazi Empire of Germany had people condemning them, and calling them sub humans. Yes, even the NAZIS. John Rabe for instance, anyone? Rape of Nanking?

Japan - the nation that to this day refuses to allow any movies/etc. showcasing the cruelty of the Empire of Japan - YET they (Japan) exports stuff like Grave of the Fireflies. What, we can only have history from one point of view? Yeah, tell that to the Philippines, Korea, China, Asia on a whole and tons of POW's from all over.

Speaking of POW's - let us not forget the fact that of all the countries, POW's held captive by the Japanese Army had the HIGHEST death rate AND the highest mental problems rate.

Finally, Japan should have just admitted defeat before America dropped the second bomb - ONLY after RUSSIA (the Soviet Union) declared war on Japan, did the Japanese Empire finally give in.

EDIT:

People on here are super quick to jump to the defense of Japan - yet those same people are quick to call out for example, Turkey's refusal to truly admit to the horrific rapes and graphic murders of the 1915 Armenian Genocide that killed over one million during WW1!

Hypocrites!

Japan refusing to teach or truly admit their war crimes would be like Germany denying the Holocaust, Canada-America-South America-Australia all denying the treatment of Natives, Russia denying the Gulags, Cambodia denying what Pol Pot did, Britian denying their Colonial Crimes for centuries, etc. etc.

Sure, I like Japan. They have so many good points to their culture both in the past and today.

Their denial of war crimes isn't one of them.

I strongly dislike their outright denial of war crimes and their very one sided approach to history that goes on in their schools and their media. Any person who has taught in Japan from outside of Japan will readily tell you so. This is an open secret, not me going on and on with no basis.

Even most recently (2014) - the movie Unbroken which is based on the true story of Louis Zamperini who survived the brutality of a Japanese Pow camp - was protested against in Japan by some who said it would shed a bad light on Japan.

Just imagine if for instance, Germany refused to show a movie about the Holocaust in their country and protested against it. Protesting Schindler's List anyone?





^This is a great post. Thank You. And did you know Miyavi was in that movie, I haven't seen it yet(blu ray on desk) but just found that out like a week ago.
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^This is a great post. Thank You. And did you know Miyavi was in that movie, I haven't seen it yet(blu ray on desk) but just found that out like a week ago.


Mmm, thanks.

Yeah, I know. The movie Unbroken was totally horrible (curse you Angelina Jolie for adapting it so badly lol), but the book is extremely good and I highly recommend it. I also recommend The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang - warning, the content for both these books (especially the latter) is extremely graphic.

Anyway, I am sick to death of the hypocrisy that surrounds the treatment of Japanese war crimes on this website, especially when compared to how other countries and their crimes get treated!

Honestly, the blind downplaying is truly aggravating. Japan would no way do the same for you in return.

Again: I like Japan, but I cannot stand their war of handling war crimes, I really can't.
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AndersonBLUE wrote:

How people can justify the use of atomic bombs when Japan was losing at the time is beyond me. There are families still feeling the effects of the radiation today, half a century later. It was no more than a test, condeming innocent people as lab rats.


Your family wasn't island hopping at the time now were they?





No. Was yours?
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