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Often times we have emotional protagonists like Kenshin or Vash who despise the idea of killing and are generally friendly.
However, we get characters like Inuyasha or Ange who are more concerned with their own self-interests and have no guilt or shame in killing.

To me, these characters are more understandable as most people care about their own pursuit of happiness rather than an idea like peace or justice.

Here's an example of a character that I feel shows off true badassery


This was one of the best moments in the show and really reinforced how cool of a character Ange is. That moment right there exposed the kind of character Ange is
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L'mao.

I root for the evil guys.
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Well.....there's a bit of a difference here.

I like when the Protagonists are good people, but I don't agree with some of there morals, like it's a "sin" to kill...that's kind of stupid and ridiculous to me.

Although I really like Vash...he was really too much with his "no kill" rule and it got some innocent people killed in the process. Kenshin..I don't believe thought killing was wrong, but he didn't want to do it anymore because he couldn't stop himself from turning into a different person if he continued to do so.

Also...I think most good guys need to be written better in general(not talking about Kenshin or Vash) because what you see now is a trend towards more evil/grey characters simply because they are different from the norm and to an extent...more identifiable...which I don't really think is a good thing imo.
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Well.....there's a bit of a difference here.

I like when the Protagonists are good people, but I don't agree with some of there morals, like it's a "sin" to kill...that's kind of stupid and ridiculous to me.

Although I really like Vash...he was really too much with his "no kill" rule and it got some innocent people killed in the process. Kenshin..I don't believe thought killing was wrong, but he didn't want to do it anymore because he couldn't stop himself from turning into a different person if he continued to do so.

Also...I think most good guys need to be written better in general(not talking about Kenshin or Vash) because what you see now is a trend towards more evil/grey characters simply because they are different from the norm and to an extent...more identifiable...which I don't really think is a good thing imo.


Depends on what you call a "anti-hero"... Is Ange from Cross Ange a hero or an anti-hero. Well, to her companions she is. Her goal is to "destroy this bullshit world", as she says, and make a world where her, Tusk, Normas, and DRAGONs, can live happily.. and to hell with anything else.

She doesn't go out of the way to kill humans, but doesn't care about the lives of any of them. She once shot an injured man in the face twice after he begged for his life... and he was incapacitated. But he was the enemy, so she didn't care.
I believe that during that scene with Slyvia, if a rock had have fallen down and crushed her. Ange would shrug off her sisters death and not care. Because she's a human.

Does this make Ange selfish or bad in any way? Not really, she just looks out strictly for her own kind and doesn't bother to save humans, nor does she give mercy on ones that wrong her. But then again... look at it like this. If you were a slave and all of a sudden the plantation was on fire... would you save the master who whips you, or just the house servants trapped inside? Would you bother to save the family of the master, or would you only care about fellow slaves?
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Don't really care.
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Depends on what you call a "anti-hero"... Is Ange from Cross Ange a hero or an anti-hero. Well, to her companions she is. Her goal is to "destroy this bullshit world", as she says, and make a world where her, Tusk, Normas, and DRAGONs, can live happily.. and to hell with anything else.

She doesn't go out of the way to kill humans, but doesn't care about the lives of any of them. She once shot an injured man in the face twice after he begged for his life... and he was incapacitated. But he was the enemy, so she didn't care.
I believe that during that scene with Slyvia, if a rock had have fallen down and crushed her. Ange would shrug off her sisters death and not care. Because she's a human.

Does this make Ange selfish or bad in any way? Not really, she just looks out strictly for her own kind and doesn't bother to save humans, nor does she give mercy on ones that wrong her. But then again... look at it like this. If you were a slave and all of a sudden the plantation was on fire... would you save the master who whips you, or just the house servants trapped inside? Would you bother to save the family of the master, or would you only care about fellow slaves?


I have not watched Cross Ainge so I cant really say. See that's very very wrong. "To hell with anything else"...that kind of mentality is pretty evil to me.


I also think shooting a man who is begging for his life, is actually pretty evil as well. It's one thing if he's fighting you, or he doesn't surrender, but that is just wrong to kill a man like that.

Yea..it kinda does man. The not giving mercy thing is only okay unless someone has either like SERIOUSLY wronged you or surrenders and even then it's better that a person forgives. No, not saving those people isn't evil and saving them, but....saving them...is "more good." It doesn't make you morally ambiguous if you don't save the slave owners.
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I don't mind the concept at all. If they're well-written, I'm more than alright with it. Doesn't mean I'll like the characters' personality or choices, however. Besides, it's hardly an absolute rule to have "good guy" protagonists.
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I like protagonists who aren't saints. That doesn't necessarily mean they have to be evil.

For example:

While Naruto and Kirito (SAO) are pretty much saints.

Gon (HxH) is not a saint. He's a nice kid who want to help people, but he doesn't have a super code of honor and ultimately he has his own agenda. Luffy (OP) is also not a saint, he is protecting his friends and family and doing what he wants, he's not really out there to save the world, it's just something that happens.

It's a lot easier to identify with characters who are partially 'broken', or rather morally unsound than it is to identify with someone who is basically the 9001st coming of Jesus.
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I don't really mind so long as they're still likable. If they are likable enough, they can kill an entire room of defenseless babies and I wouldn't mind. Sounds terrible, I know.
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It is not inherently wrong, but I find it a major turn off. On the other hand, characters who have too much of an aversion to killing get ridiculous.

It really depends on who is being shown/denied mercy. Some of the people Vash tries to save show no sign of remorse for their actions, making it seem as if they will just continue hurting people if saved. But if someone was just born into the enemy country/ privileged class its hard to justify killing them if they surrender.

I think their attitude about what they do matters as well. If they treat people who question their actions as stupid, then that usually does not come off well.

I often make a distinction between liking someone as a character and as a person. I can enjoy watching a character even if I would dislike them in real life.
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"Depends on what you call a "anti-hero"... Is Ange from Cross Ange a hero or an anti-hero. Well, to her companions she is. Her goal is to "destroy this bullshit world", as she says, and make a world where her, Tusk, Normas, and DRAGONs, can live happily.. and to hell with anything else."

Ange was quite willing to take Sylvia with her until Sylvia betrayed her. She also gave all her money to save her favorite human, Momoka.


She views the corrupt society quite differently than she views individuals. Also to be fair to ange the guy was pointing a rifle at her when she shot him.
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favorite protagonist. YOU decide.
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silversongwriter wrote:


Depends on what you call a "anti-hero"... Is Ange from Cross Ange a hero or an anti-hero. Well, to her companions she is. Her goal is to "destroy this bullshit world", as she says, and make a world where her, Tusk, Normas, and DRAGONs, can live happily.. and to hell with anything else.

She doesn't go out of the way to kill humans, but doesn't care about the lives of any of them. She once shot an injured man in the face twice after he begged for his life... and he was incapacitated. But he was the enemy, so she didn't care.
I believe that during that scene with Slyvia, if a rock had have fallen down and crushed her. Ange would shrug off her sisters death and not care. Because she's a human.

Does this make Ange selfish or bad in any way? Not really, she just looks out strictly for her own kind and doesn't bother to save humans, nor does she give mercy on ones that wrong her. But then again... look at it like this. If you were a slave and all of a sudden the plantation was on fire... would you save the master who whips you, or just the house servants trapped inside? Would you bother to save the family of the master, or would you only care about fellow slaves?


I have not watched Cross Ainge so I cant really say. See that's very very wrong. "To hell with anything else"...that kind of mentality is pretty evil to me.


I also think shooting a man who is begging for his life, is actually pretty evil as well. It's one thing if he's fighting you, or he doesn't surrender, but that is just wrong to kill a man like that.

Yea..it kinda does man. The not giving mercy thing is only okay unless someone has either like SERIOUSLY wronged you or surrenders and even then it's better that a person forgives. No, not saving those people isn't evil and saving them, but....saving them...is "more good." It doesn't make you morally ambiguous if you don't save the slave owners.


Not really... Her life was destroyed by humans. I would react the same way as she did.
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Accelerator from Magical Index. He is a ruthless guy that i like for some reason. Well he is not the protagonist, more like a rival for the MC.
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Not really... Her life was destroyed by humans. I would react the same way as she did.


Ummm...agree to disagree.
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