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Post Reply Would you have a problem if a friend told you they were "ex-gay"?
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Kerensa wrote:

You are correct in saying that science hasn't made definitive proof that says concretely one way or the other. There has been a lot of research looking to find the "gay gene" and they believe, as of last year, that they have found some pretty good evidence for there being a specific chromosome that is "linked" (for lack of better word) to being homosexual (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9625997&fileId=S0033291714002451). Moreover, there are many animals that engage in homosexuality as well. About 130 bird species engage in homosexual activity; lions, chimpanzees, bison and dolphins have also been spotted in same-sex pairings. This sort of evidence that other animals within the animal kingdom are engaging in same-sex pairings lead one to believe that it isn't out of the ordinary for the human animal to engage in similar activity.



It's important to note that most animal species don't exhibit individuals that are exclusively oriented one way or the other. Also important to note that there have been twins, separated at birth, that have turned out to be of different sexual orientation. A gene (or set thereof) could contribute to a biological basis of orientation, but it is also partly environmental.


Identical twins may not have an identical genetic code due to copy number variants.
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Social rehabilitation of those persons must be something that people must respect , it does not matter if they were gay, KKK, Neo Nazi, or Scientologist everyone have the right for a second chance, no one is perfect, and the society reconcile it the most common case is social rehabilitation by Alcoholics Anonymous. far worse case is prison.


So you're saying being homosexual is an imperfection, and gay people need a second chance to change their ways? Am I actually reading that correctly?
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There is a biological basis that does not change; there is a limit to how much can be nudged, if it can truly be nudged at all.

Aversion therapy (which your friend did in a self-inflicted way) has been proven to be ineffective in changing sexual orientation, no matter what the orientation is. It discourages thought, but does not change the underlying orientation. At the most extreme, he would feel physical distress when confronted with such material or thoughts (like Clockwork Orange).

Really, you should have talked him out of all of it, instead encouraging him to accept himself. Self-mutilation is never a good thing.


Well... people like me who believe in gods and souls see things differently

And I could have kept on telling him it's not a big deal to be gay but then he'd be in the same position he was before he tried and feel miserable. Telling him it's okay wasn't working, so I decided to encourage him to take his own path.
Believe me, the physical pain he inflicted was nothing compared to the pain he was already in. The dude was a mess. I think if he were still truely bisexual, he'd have possibly taken his own life

Most people pray away the gay, he decided to beat the shit out of it... but I don't care what he does as long as he doesn't end up taking his own life
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Is this a joke? I would not honour that statement. There is no way to change your sexual preferences. You're either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual. You cannot change which one of those you are. Man up and admit you're gay/bi, whoever came up to me and said that. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

I doubt God's hand had any play in this, unless the person in question actually WANTED well and truly to be straight. God won't change people who don't need it.

Either way, if they're happy...
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Posted 4/13/15

Kerensa wrote:


Schmooples wrote:


Kerensa wrote:

You are correct in saying that science hasn't made definitive proof that says concretely one way or the other. There has been a lot of research looking to find the "gay gene" and they believe, as of last year, that they have found some pretty good evidence for there being a specific chromosome that is "linked" (for lack of better word) to being homosexual (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9625997&fileId=S0033291714002451). Moreover, there are many animals that engage in homosexuality as well. About 130 bird species engage in homosexual activity; lions, chimpanzees, bison and dolphins have also been spotted in same-sex pairings. This sort of evidence that other animals within the animal kingdom are engaging in same-sex pairings lead one to believe that it isn't out of the ordinary for the human animal to engage in similar activity.



It's important to note that most animal species don't exhibit individuals that are exclusively oriented one way or the other. Also important to note that there have been twins, separated at birth, that have turned out to be of different sexual orientation. A gene (or set thereof) could contribute to a biological basis of orientation, but it is also partly environmental.


Identical twins may not have an identical genetic code due to copy number variants.


True, but you can't assume that is the case without further evidence. You can't rely entirely on the genetic basis when there is much evidence of a social/environmental component as well.
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Is this a joke? I would not honour that statement. There is no way to change your sexual preferences. You're either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual. You cannot change which one of those you are. Man up and admit you're gay/bi, whoever came up to me and said that. It's nothing to be ashamed of.




All joking aside, there's more to life than what science can comprehend
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silversongwriter wrote:


ConciousInception wrote:

Is this a joke? I would not honour that statement. There is no way to change your sexual preferences. You're either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual. You cannot change which one of those you are. Man up and admit you're gay/bi, whoever came up to me and said that. It's nothing to be ashamed of.




All joking aside, there's more to life than what science can comprehend


Currently, and probably for a long time. I do believe in God, as you will see if you read my other paragraphs I oddly added on as you quoted me, but I think that science will continue and continue to grow until it perhaps (perhaps!) knows everything about our existence. Either that, or we will lack the technology to move to a new goldilocks-zone planet by the time a doomsday event occurs.
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ConciousInception wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


ConciousInception wrote:

Is this a joke? I would not honour that statement. There is no way to change your sexual preferences. You're either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual. You cannot change which one of those you are. Man up and admit you're gay/bi, whoever came up to me and said that. It's nothing to be ashamed of.




All joking aside, there's more to life than what science can comprehend


Currently, and probably for a long time. I do believe in God, as you will see if you read my other paragraphs I oddly added on as you quoted me, but I think that science will continue and continue to grow until it perhaps (perhaps!) knows everything about our existence. Either that, or we will lack the technology to move to a new goldilocks-zone planet by the time a doomsday event occurs.


Oh... I slightly disagree, as I think the soul itself has enough power to do that on it's own... but we do agree on God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh0r7C63_J0
Someone posted this in the thread as a joke, but I found it very fun to watch and it was nice to see someone in an atmosphere where they can be open about themself and have others support them
This is how christians should be towards gays
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Nah, I'm pretty open when it comes to that kind of thing.
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I actually don't really care..? I'd be more concerned if they're a convicted felon or something.
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Cero_of_Clouds wrote:

I actually don't really care..? I'd be more concerned if they're a convicted felon or something.


Don't hang out with me and my friends then
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silver hope this helps, if not , kill me in your mind violently or something

WARNING ! PRO RELIGION RANT!

I just want to say that not all religious people are homophobes. I'm not. phobia implies fear. I don't fear or hate homosexuals. I have some bi tendencies so for all I know I'm that. Could be, don't know or care. Cross that bridge when I get there.

I have some mixed feelings about the ex-gay idea. My feelings on the matter are thus:

As long as you aren't brainwashed, and you wish to change your identification, do it. Peace be with you and so on.

If you can't have that inner conflict between religion and your sexuality, don't. Not for me to judge you. Some people make peace with both somehow and living with inner conflict is some's "cross to bear" ,beautiful metaphor.

From my understanding (I can't confirm what Pope Francis has allegedly changed in official doctrine since taking over from conservative Benedict (Ratsinger), I've heard rumours of increasing liberalization, but to what extent, I'd have to look it up.) As a Catholic, as I recall, the (Catholic) Church believes you can be gay and be right with God, as long as you remain celibate and. So depending on how sexually active you are that may not be good enough.

However, The protestant Anglican (Episcopalian) Church (Church of England) , fully accept practicing homosexuals in their fold, they ordain women as clergy and, if I'm not mistaken, a woman is the head bishop .

There are about a billion other religions and denominations, and different bibles , with different interpretations of them. I'm sure there is one out there for everyone. Religion doesn't have to be evil. It can give you comfort as well as anxiety.

One thing is,. religion is whats in you heart not in a church or organization. When you pray, you open your heart to God. God is love. Seen as this opening your heart to love, there is nothing more precious.

Fuck anybody who literally interprets scripture. Hell is a state of mind! It isn't fire and brimstone, its being eternally separated from God. Being eternally separated from love is not a state of mind I would choose. You can be in hell now, alive, and when you die, it will be the same. No comfort or rest, just tormented regret over rejecting the light in your heart.

I'm Catholic out of upbringing, I don't promote what I am, it just is. I'm a christian first, and I know that christian means "christ-like". And I fall short. I don't know what he'd think if he saw his churches how they are and have been since he died and rose, including the RC church.

Religion is a deeply personal affair first. The social part ,, however you can be accepted find it and join because thats better than nothing . Find god however he manifests to you and know whats is of man (maybe a building and some well dressed bigots), and what is sacred.


We always judge ourselves the hardest.

Now I'm done , got it all out of my system, time to go to bed.
Posted 4/14/15
I mean ex gay is either a self-identification or being brainwashed, one or the other.
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Hmm, I feel as though I'm one of the only people who doesn't care about a persons sexuality preferences as it doesn't affect MY life in the slightest, but if they hit on me, I would have to reject them immediately (but that applies to either gender).
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Posted 4/14/15
ex gay? funny one. is that anything like anti gravity or some scifi technobable...lol
sexual prefferences never go away.
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