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Posted 4/14/15

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ex gay? funny one. is that anything like anti gravity or some scifi technobable...lol
sexual prefferences never go away.


I used to be turned on by piss fetish, but now it's kinda weird... I guess after seeing it enough times it became gross
Your state of mind changes constantly
Posted 4/14/15

saksiss wrote:

Hmm, I feel as though I'm one of the only people who doesn't care about a persons sexuality preferences as it doesn't affect MY life in the slightest, but if they hit on me, I would have to reject them immediately (but that applies to either gender).



I agree that is THAT person's business, and as long as they aren't being flamboyant and waving in ppl's faces, then I don';t care. I think I feel just as you do tbh.
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I actually don't really care..? I'd be more concerned if they're a convicted felon or something.


Don't hang out with me and my friends then


Hahah, I didn't mean it in a judgmental way there. It was more in reference to the possibility of committing crime again or something. Completely hypothetical.
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I would be concerned for my friend. There's absolutely no standard method of conversion therapy, if its in the counselling form then thats one thing and while I wouldn't believe his decision was that healthy I would respect his/her choice. As Sexuality seems to be more of a spectrum thing than binary I imagine it would be possible for some individuals to suppress part of their sexual desires and focus on the other parts.

That being said much of the conversion therapy In minors I have witnessed first hand and read about is basically child abuse. Repeated beatings, shunning, starvation, isolation from social contact Its essentially forced conditioning through physical and emotional trauma.
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it wouldn't matter to me if they were "ex-gay" or not. what their preference is is none of my business. I will still be their friend no matter what. actually why should it really matter? I pick my friends based on their personalities not if their gay or not.
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I would be concerned for my friend. There's absolutely no standard method of conversion therapy, if its in the counselling form then thats one thing and while I wouldn't believe his decision was that healthy I would respect his/her choice. As Sexuality seems to be more of a spectrum thing than binary I imagine it would be possible for some individuals to suppress part of their sexual desires and focus on the other parts.

That being said much of the conversion therapy In minors I have witnessed first hand and read about is basically child abuse. Repeated beatings, shunning, starvation, isolation from social contact Its essentially forced conditioning through physical and emotional trauma.


I don't know if most ex-gays are a result of conversion therapy.
I was talking about one who claimed to have changed it through will power and individuality, or one who claimed god delivered them from it.

As far as the stuff about it with minors, I'm okay with allowing conversion therapy of minors, but I'm not okay with conditions that would otherwise be illegal and qualify as child abuse. As long as their methods aren't child abuse in a legal sense, it's okay.
Then again, I had a friend who did stuff like that for four months straight to himself in order to change. And it was severe shit, he had a lot of scars and some of them are for life
But... he seems happier now, and for some reason, he claims that turning straight has made him not hate gay people. I don't understand it either.
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dsjb wrote:

I would be concerned for my friend. There's absolutely no standard method of conversion therapy, if its in the counselling form then thats one thing and while I wouldn't believe his decision was that healthy I would respect his/her choice. As Sexuality seems to be more of a spectrum thing than binary I imagine it would be possible for some individuals to suppress part of their sexual desires and focus on the other parts.

That being said much of the conversion therapy In minors I have witnessed first hand and read about is basically child abuse. Repeated beatings, shunning, starvation, isolation from social contact Its essentially forced conditioning through physical and emotional trauma.


Counseling would be what I had in mind if I had a confused child, not the conversion counseling involving torture, but general counseling, to determine if the child has a conflict to begin with. Homosexuality may or may not be a choice (if it is then maybe it isn't real), but one thing for certain is that it isn't a mental illness, but I'd want to know what my child isn't distressed and sure of himself or herself.

An interesting parallel of sorts is that the church of scientology employs some of the same methods with introspection rundowns on mentally disabled people, I don't think torture as a form of coersion is appropriate in minors, let alone at all.
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I'm fine with gay and bi people but I'm not fine with people who seem to play pretend and constantly change their gender and sexual preferences like clothing. Those types of people strike me as delusional and in need of help.
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dsjb wrote:

I would be concerned for my friend. There's absolutely no standard method of conversion therapy, if its in the counselling form then thats one thing and while I wouldn't believe his decision was that healthy I would respect his/her choice. As Sexuality seems to be more of a spectrum thing than binary I imagine it would be possible for some individuals to suppress part of their sexual desires and focus on the other parts.

That being said much of the conversion therapy In minors I have witnessed first hand and read about is basically child abuse. Repeated beatings, shunning, starvation, isolation from social contact Its essentially forced conditioning through physical and emotional trauma.


I don't know if most ex-gays are a result of conversion therapy.
I was talking about one who claimed to have changed it through will power and individuality, or one who claimed god delivered them from it.

As far as the stuff about it with minors, I'm okay with allowing conversion therapy of minors, but I'm not okay with conditions that would otherwise be illegal and qualify as child abuse. As long as their methods aren't child abuse in a legal sense, it's okay.
Then again, I had a friend who did stuff like that for four months straight to himself in order to change. And it was severe shit, he had a lot of scars and some of them are for life
But... he seems happier now, and for some reason, he claims that turning straight has made him not hate gay people. I don't understand it either.


If it is purely from within then all power to them I guess. I personally don't think the state should allow conversion therapy in children but I realise I am far more comfortable with state intervention than you so I can understand why you would err on the side of parental choice here.
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If it is purely from within then all power to them I guess. I personally don't think the state should allow conversion therapy in children but I realise I am far more comfortable with state intervention than you so I can understand why you would err on the side of parental choice here.


To me, it would depend on the severity of thier methods. Plus, what if the child themselves want to take part in it?

It's also important to ask what counts as conversion therapy. Is an exorcism conversion therapy. People do practice exorcisms in trying to change sexuality. Or what if they're a church group claiming these kids are here to be healed by god through prayer and belief. Would they count as a "conversion therapy" group? Afterall, they're not claiming to cure homosexuality, but that god will cure it for you.
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dsjb wrote:
If it is purely from within then all power to them I guess. I personally don't think the state should allow conversion therapy in children but I realise I am far more comfortable with state intervention than you so I can understand why you would err on the side of parental choice here.


To me, it would depend on the severity of thier methods. Plus, what if the child themselves want to take part in it?

It's also important to ask what counts as conversion therapy. Is an exorcism conversion therapy. People do practice exorcisms in trying to change sexuality. Or what if they're a church group claiming these kids are here to be healed by god through prayer and belief. Would they count as a "conversion therapy" group? Afterall, they're not claiming to cure homosexuality, but that god will cure it for you.


How is that different than saying you're fine with it as long as it isn't torture?
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dsjb wrote:
If it is purely from within then all power to them I guess. I personally don't think the state should allow conversion therapy in children but I realise I am far more comfortable with state intervention than you so I can understand why you would err on the side of parental choice here.


To me, it would depend on the severity of thier methods. Plus, what if the child themselves want to take part in it?

It's also important to ask what counts as conversion therapy. Is an exorcism conversion therapy. People do practice exorcisms in trying to change sexuality. Or what if they're a church group claiming these kids are here to be healed by god through prayer and belief. Would they count as a "conversion therapy" group? Afterall, they're not claiming to cure homosexuality, but that god will cure it for you.


How is that different than saying you're fine with it as long as it isn't torture?


I raised the question of what should or shouldn't be considered conversion therapy.
I also raised the question of whether a child should be able to consent to conversion therapy
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dsjb wrote:

I would be concerned for my friend. There's absolutely no standard method of conversion therapy, if its in the counselling form then thats one thing and while I wouldn't believe his decision was that healthy I would respect his/her choice. As Sexuality seems to be more of a spectrum thing than binary I imagine it would be possible for some individuals to suppress part of their sexual desires and focus on the other parts.

That being said much of the conversion therapy In minors I have witnessed first hand and read about is basically child abuse. Repeated beatings, shunning, starvation, isolation from social contact Its essentially forced conditioning through physical and emotional trauma.


Counseling would be what I had in mind if I had a confused child, not the conversion counseling involving torture, but general counseling, to determine if the child has a conflict to begin with. Homosexuality may or may not be a choice (if it is then maybe it isn't real), but one thing for certain is that it isn't a mental illness, but I'd want to know what my child isn't distressed and sure of himself or herself.

An interesting parallel of sorts is that the church of scientology employs some of the same methods with introspection rundowns on mentally disabled people, I don't think torture as a form of coersion is appropriate in minors, let alone at all.


Scientology in the UK has a awful reputation I'm not certain if this view Is a international one, but they have been involved with some fairly dark stuff over here.
Posted 4/14/15

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Dark_Childe wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


dsjb wrote:
If it is purely from within then all power to them I guess. I personally don't think the state should allow conversion therapy in children but I realise I am far more comfortable with state intervention than you so I can understand why you would err on the side of parental choice here.


To me, it would depend on the severity of thier methods. Plus, what if the child themselves want to take part in it?

It's also important to ask what counts as conversion therapy. Is an exorcism conversion therapy. People do practice exorcisms in trying to change sexuality. Or what if they're a church group claiming these kids are here to be healed by god through prayer and belief. Would they count as a "conversion therapy" group? Afterall, they're not claiming to cure homosexuality, but that god will cure it for you.


How is that different than saying you're fine with it as long as it isn't torture?


I raised the question of what should or shouldn't be considered conversion therapy.


That's pretty much what I was aiming to accomplish, oh , well, as long as someone does, it is of no consequence. ^^
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dsjb wrote:


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dsjb wrote:

I would be concerned for my friend. There's absolutely no standard method of conversion therapy, if its in the counselling form then thats one thing and while I wouldn't believe his decision was that healthy I would respect his/her choice. As Sexuality seems to be more of a spectrum thing than binary I imagine it would be possible for some individuals to suppress part of their sexual desires and focus on the other parts.

That being said much of the conversion therapy In minors I have witnessed first hand and read about is basically child abuse. Repeated beatings, shunning, starvation, isolation from social contact Its essentially forced conditioning through physical and emotional trauma.


Counseling would be what I had in mind if I had a confused child, not the conversion counseling involving torture, but general counseling, to determine if the child has a conflict to begin with. Homosexuality may or may not be a choice (if it is then maybe it isn't real), but one thing for certain is that it isn't a mental illness, but I'd want to know what my child isn't distressed and sure of himself or herself.

An interesting parallel of sorts is that the church of scientology employs some of the same methods with introspection rundowns on mentally disabled people, I don't think torture as a form of coersion is appropriate in minors, let alone at all.


Scientology in the UK has a awful reputation I'm not certain if this view Is a international one, but they have been involved with some fairly dark stuff over here.


I suppose I should clarify what I mean here, obviously I don't mean to cast aspersions on all scientoligists, but the church has lost a number of legal cases in regards to libel and harassment of critics and apostates. I did not mean to offend you personally if I did Dark.
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