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It's come to my attention that a lot of Americans on the forums seem to think that the UK is England. I'm here to tell you it's not, the UK is made up of 4 countries; Scotland, England, N.Ireland and Wales and they all have their own distinct differences and separate cultures.

In too many situations in real life have i told people i'm from the UK and they have asked me "oh you like tea then?" in a horrible English accent, to which my usual reply is "naw, i'm Scottish" or "Fuck off". And I've actually had a few people say they are "more free" than me because I 'live in a monarchy' when in reality the queen is just a figure head that is used to draw more money into the country (she doesn't actually do anything, she's just basically a celebrity)

I don't want to sound like i'm putting down Americans or anything, but do they not teach them anything about the UK?
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I suppose Its inevitable that people are less knowledgeable about countries other than their own. I would rather not be identified as English but British.
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America has over three hundred million people in it. You're going to have some idiots.

Also, being a large country with only a couple of neighbors sharing land borders and separated from most of the rest of the world by oceans, the country is geographically isolated and isn't forced to deal with other cultures as countries with more neighbors might.

Add to that the United States being a dominant power in the world with a population that doesn't travel to other countries very much, there's not much interest or opportunity to learn about other countries.

For better or worse, that's the situation.
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Calls out 'muricans for no particular reason.
Doesn't call out Germans, Frenchmen, Koreans or Venusian Spacelords.
Claims UK isn't "England".
Claims location is "Scotland".

Seems legit.
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UK = England, Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland (they hadn't seceded yet right?)

It's in the bloody flag.
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BritishBlue wrote:

Calls out 'muricans for no particular reason.
Doesn't call out Germans, Frenchmen, Koreans or Venusian Spacelords.
Claims UK isn't "England".
Claims location is "Scotland".

Seems legit.


I've only ever experienced this from Americans tho...
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I've studied international politics and pay attention to global news, so I am aware that the UK is not a uniform body.

But from my American compulsory education only, no there is no real distinction made. England is the primary focus, mostly relating to the American Revolutionary War and going up to the War of 1812. WWII discussion is of UK/England interchangeably with a focus on Churchill.

We also aren't taught the different regions and cultures of Spain, France, Canada or any other country, so it's nothing personal. Pretty much it's just an international view, rarely intra-national unless an individual teacher wants to discuss it.

College level education can be anywhere, depends on what the focus is.

EDIT: Americans seem to know what Scotland is, though they may think it's a separate country. If you introduce yourself from there rather than the UK you may start from a better footing. If someone was to say Wales, probably the assumption would be it's a "state" of England.

EDIT 2: I will warn you, if you haven't already experienced this, that if you introduce yourself as from Scotland people will ask if you wear kilts, play the bagpipes, and conflate your culture with Ireland's randomly.
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Dude there morons everywhere. Some people think because I peak Spanish and because I from Puerto Rico I not american or worst I immigrant. Hell there some imbeciles who think we don't even pay Taxes. There some who think they are better than me because they peak English is their first language. I'm like you want to really go there dumbass ? What if tell you ours official language is both Spanish and English. We are teach both languages the moment we land on school. Granted the most we use is the Spanish one but we do know both and can write in both too.
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Dude there morons everywhere. Some people think because I peak Spanish and because I from Puerto Rico I not american or worst I immigrant. Hell there some imbeciles who think we don't even pay Taxes. There some who think they are better than me because they peak English is their first language. I'm like you want to really go there dumbass ? What if tell you ours official language is both Spanish and English. We are teach both languages the moment we land on school. Granted the most we use is the Spanish one but we do know both and can write in both too.


I commend anyone that is multilingual, it's an amazing achievement that is overlooked too much these days. I wish they properly taught us at least one other language here.
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KarenAraragi wrote:

Dude there morons everywhere. Some people think because I peak Spanish and because I from Puerto Rico I not american or worst I immigrant. Hell there some imbeciles who think we don't even pay Taxes. There some who think they are better than me because they peak English is their first language. I'm like you want to really go there dumbass ? What if tell you ours official language is both Spanish and English. We are teach both languages the moment we land on school. Granted the most we use is the Spanish one but we do know both and can write in both too.


Why would being an immigrant be a issue in America? Aren't all Americans immigrants/descended from them. I understand when the UK has some nationalistic types that are very anti immigrant but I would have thought america by its origins would be immune to this kind of thing?

Heck the statue of liberty has that poem doesn't it?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
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Ah yes I thought all of that until I meet my online friend Emma from England. The first day I talked to her I called her British and she got mad!

I don`t get why tea is such a stereotype of England because every country loves tea and has a special way of making it. For example I`m from the south of the United States so I have a deep love for ice cold sweet tea ( I`m drinking some right now~oops) so It`s manly the American`s from the north that think that way.

& it must be really cool to have all those countries right next to each other! I wonder how many countries you could visit in a day!
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marklebid wrote:

I've studied international politics and pay attention to global news, so I am aware that the UK is not a uniform body.

But from my American compulsory education only, no there is no real distinction made. England is the primary focus, mostly relating to the American Revolutionary War and going up to the War of 1812. WWII discussion is of UK/England interchangeably with a focus on Churchill.

We also aren't taught the different regions and cultures of Spain, France, Canada or any other country, so it's nothing personal. Pretty much it's just an international view, rarely intra-national unless an individual teacher wants to discuss it.

College level education can be anywhere, depends on what the focus is.

EDIT: Americans seem to know what Scotland is, though they may think it's a separate country. If you introduce yourself from there rather than the UK you may start from a better footing. If someone was to say Wales, probably the assumption would be it's a "state" of England.

EDIT 2: I will warn you, if you haven't already experienced this, that if you introduce yourself as from Scotland people will ask if you wear kilts, play the bagpipes, and conflate your culture with Ireland's randomly.


That seems so secluded though, i love learning about other cultures.

I'm also very aware of the Scottish stereotyping from my online experiences, i usually get the "all you do is eat haggis and wear skirts" online haha

Posted 4/14/15

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KarenAraragi wrote:

Dude there morons everywhere. Some people think because I peak Spanish and because I from Puerto Rico I not american or worst I immigrant. Hell there some imbeciles who think we don't even pay Taxes. There some who think they are better than me because they peak English is their first language. I'm like you want to really go there dumbass ? What if tell you ours official language is both Spanish and English. We are teach both languages the moment we land on school. Granted the most we use is the Spanish one but we do know both and can write in both too.


Why would being an immigrant be a issue in America? Aren't all Americans immigrants/descended from them. I understand when the UK has some nationalistic types that are very anti immigrant but I would have thought america by its origins would be immune to this kind of thing?

Heck the statue of liberty has that poem doesn't it?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


I not saying is bad to be immigrant but they degrade me from not peaking English to not being american a all. Like that suppose to make you special and better than anybody else on the world.
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tyranofication wrote:

I don't want to sound like i'm putting down Americans or anything, but do they not teach them anything about the UK?


American schools teaching about the UK? With the sorry state of our public education system, I highly doubt most students today could even point to Scotland, England, North Ireland, or Wales on a map!

Heck, ask them where Alaska is (one of the 50 states) and most "students" say off the coast of California - because that's where most US maps show it in order to fit it on the paper.

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KarenAraragi wrote:


dsjb wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:

Dude there morons everywhere. Some people think because I peak Spanish and because I from Puerto Rico I not american or worst I immigrant. Hell there some imbeciles who think we don't even pay Taxes. There some who think they are better than me because they peak English is their first language. I'm like you want to really go there dumbass ? What if tell you ours official language is both Spanish and English. We are teach both languages the moment we land on school. Granted the most we use is the Spanish one but we do know both and can write in both too.


Why would being an immigrant be a issue in America? Aren't all Americans immigrants/descended from them. I understand when the UK has some nationalistic types that are very anti immigrant but I would have thought america by its origins would be immune to this kind of thing?

Heck the statue of liberty has that poem doesn't it?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


I not saying is bad to be immigrant but they degrade me from not peaking English to not being american a all. Like that suppose to make you special and better than anybody else on the world.


I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought you were anti immigrant, but more to feel surprise at there being people who looked down on none first language English speakers in America given the diverse heritage of the country.
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