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Posted 4/14/15 , edited 4/14/15


I not saying all american are like that but there a substantial group of people that do that. Like for example from time to time there people who bother and try to bully others, because they have their original country flag in their own house or put symbols that represent their ancestors heritage or bother you because you celebrate your ancestry and traditions. Even thou when you walk the street you can hear people peaking different languages. And they acted like not normal or is something new, even thou is not new and had been going on for awhile. In short they are idiots or racist, or even worst have the mentally america is number one and think every thing is american when only a few traditions and things are american. Hell some are even surprise to learn that america is made of immigrants from around the world and their ancestor were not born in america but in other countries. I'm like you idiot ! Did you forgot the war of independence or the american Indians ? There not a lot of people like that but there a substantial numbers of them that will make you wish you were't in the same galaxy has them.
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I may be going out on a limb here, but I think the issue stems from geography, and I'm not talking about Americans being the most geographically illiterate folk in the developed world. (Heck, we're probably more geographically illiterate than some third world schoolchildren)

America is a large country bounded by ocean, with only two neighbors on land, one of which speaks (mostly) English. How many other countries are like that? In most of Europe, reaching another country is a relatively short car or train ride. In the US, it can mean a multi-hour flight. Other countries and cultures just aren't as relevant to our daily lives as to yours.

Not sayin that excuses the ignorance, but I think it does explain it.
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I'm an American. I recognize they the United Kingdom is composed of multiple nations under one banner and not merely England. Growing up in school, there was an England focus at times in our education - but mostly it referred to the UK as Great Britain during early world history post-American Revolution.

I think it all stems back to the ignorance most of us have about the breakdowns of nations outside of our own. I couldn't tell you the name of the states in India or the individual provinces in Canada, and as an American we share a border with them. Our history lessons in schooling tend to be broad on various nations of the world (at least mine had been) without as much of a focus on nitty gritty breakdown of how each nations function. Referring to the entirety of the UK as England is foolish, but may happen from time to time. The United States is broken into 50 separate states with their own history, plus the territories such as Guam and Puerto Rico which get more attention during studies of history when going into nitty gritty specifics...


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Dude there morons everywhere. Some people think because I peak Spanish and because I from Puerto Rico I not american or worst I immigrant. Hell there some imbeciles who think we don't even pay Taxes. There some who think they are better than me because they peak English is their first language. I'm like you want to really go there dumbass ? What if tell you ours official language is both Spanish and English. We are teach both languages the moment we land on school. Granted the most we use is the Spanish one but we do know both and can write in both too.

I think a lot of people forget that Puerto Rico is part of the United States. Because their status is so different than that of a state, due to their autonomy in many respects AND Puerto Rico being treated as an individual nation in international events like the Olympics, muddies the waters for some people.
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Posted 4/14/15 , edited 4/14/15

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I'm an American. I recognize they the United Kingdom is composed of multiple nations under one banner and not merely England. Growing up in school, there was an England focus at times in our education - but mostly it referred to the UK as Great Britain during early world history post-American Revolution.

I think it all stems back to the ignorance most of us have about the breakdowns of nations outside of our own. I couldn't tell you the name of the states in India or the individual provinces in Canada, and as an American we share a border with them. Our history lessons in schooling tend to be broad on various nations of the world (at least mine had been) without as much of a focus on nitty gritty breakdown of how each nations function. Referring to the entirety of the UK as England is foolish, but may happen from time to time. The United States is broken into 50 separate states with their own history, plus the territories such as Guam and Puerto Rico which get more attention during studies of history when going into nitty gritty specifics...


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Dude there morons everywhere. Some people think because I peak Spanish and because I from Puerto Rico I not american or worst I immigrant. Hell there some imbeciles who think we don't even pay Taxes. There some who think they are better than me because they peak English is their first language. I'm like you want to really go there dumbass ? What if tell you ours official language is both Spanish and English. We are teach both languages the moment we land on school. Granted the most we use is the Spanish one but we do know both and can write in both too.

I think a lot of people forget that Puerto Rico is part of the United States. Because their status is so different than that of a state, due to their autonomy in many respects AND Puerto Rico being treated as an individual nation in international events like the Olympics, muddies the waters for some people.


I think your right, I remember playing a flash game on-line were you had to to label all the states on a map of the USA. I only got about 30 of them right, admittedly some of my mistakes were misspelling the state name rather than its location but that's hardly a good defence. It not like the countries than make up the UK are much bigger than a state even if they are more densely populated for the most part. Perhaps geography education needs a revamp in our more integrated world.
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I would rather not be identified as English but British.


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I think you're being a bit unfair.Just about every American carp fisherman knows about Danny Fairbrass and Korda.You mean there's more? Have you ever read an American "History","Social studies" textbook from a public school?It's all about not offending any group in order to get purchased by the largest number of school systems.The UK is usually contained in an abbreviated chapter sandwiched,not the Earl, between the Red Coats ,Churchill, and the Beatles.The internet affords you an opportunity to talk to people from all walks of life in the Uk and elsewhere.This in time will change perceptions and hopefully build bridges.Americans don't have a monopoly on ignorance,but I can see why when looking at recent history one might think so.
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dsjb wrote:

I would rather not be identified as English but British.


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Honestly I don't like the tribalism within my family, I have Scottish, English, welsh and Irish grandparents (one of each), things can get a bit grumpy from time to time at family gatherings and I would prefer to focus on common ground rather than division.
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I not saying all american are like that but there a substantial group of people that do that. Like for example from time to time there people who bother and try to bully others, because they have their original country flag in their own house or put symbols that represent their ancestors heritage or bother you because you celebrate your ancestry and traditions. Even thou when you walk the street you can hear people peaking different languages. And they acted like not normal or is something new, even thou is not new and had been going on for awhile. In short they are idiots or racist, or even worst have the mentally america is number one and think every thing is american when only a few traditions and things are american. Hell some are even surprise to learn that america is made of immigrants from around the world and their ancestor were not born in america but in other countries. I'm like you idiot ! Did you forgot the war of independence or the american Indians ? There not a lot of people like that but there a substantial numbers of them that will make you wish you were't in the same galaxy has them.
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It's come to my attention that a lot of Americans on the forums seem to think that the UK is England. I'm here to tell you it's not, the UK is made up of 4 countries; Scotland, England, N.Ireland and Wales and they all have their own distinct differences and separate cultures.

In too many situations in real life have i told people i'm from the UK and they have asked me "oh you like tea then?" in a horrible English accent, to which my usual reply is "naw, i'm Scottish" or "Fuck off". And I've actually had a few people say they are "more free" than me because I 'live in a monarchy' when in reality the queen is just a figure head that is used to draw more money into the country (she doesn't actually do anything, she's just basically a celebrity)

I don't want to sound like i'm putting down Americans or anything, but do they not teach them anything about the UK?


Dude I know what you mean, im from the UK too.

The thing is, there are gonna be some idiots everywhere.

The problem with Americans as a culture, and this is not meant as an offence, is that they are such a large country with such a huge population that they have no real need or chance to experience other countries.

I will say this though, we are NOWHERE NEAR the way we are portrayed in cartoon and tv shows etc. And that goes for the whole of the UK.

We dont all LOVE tea (I personally hate the stuff)
We are not ruled by the queen(in fact most people here dispise the royal family)
We dont all have an extremely posh accent.
We dont have horrible teeth(a lot of people actually get free dental care, so why would we have bad teeth?)
We are not all ugly(there are alot of STUNNERS here)
Scottish people dont all wear kilts.
The irish are not all drunks.

The list could go on and on.
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Is that a state?

Hahaha... I'm kidding.

I know it's a country.

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Dude I know what you mean, im from the UK too.

The thing is, there are gonna be some idiots everywhere.

The problem with Americans as a culture, and this is not meant as an offence, is that they are such a large country with such a huge population that they have no real need or chance to experience other countries.

I will say this though, we are NOWHERE NEAR the way we are portrayed in cartoon and tv shows etc. And that goes for the whole of the UK.

We dont all LOVE tea (I personally hate the stuff)
We are not ruled by the queen(in fact most people here dispise the royal family)
We dont all have an extremely posh accent.
We dont have horrible teeth(a lot of people actually get free dental care, so why would we have bad teeth?)
We are not all ugly(there are alot of STUNNERS here)
Scottish people dont all wear kilts.
The irish are not all drunks.

The list could go on and on.
As an American, let me offer some additional perspective. Our nation is huge - land mass wise and population wise. With that in mind, what some outside the US don't realize is that there is a huge cultural difference depending on where you are in the United States. There are differences in accents, cuisine, formality, and general demeanor. For some examples: I grew up in Upstate New York State. Culturally, it is primarily suburban area with what you would consider "generic, at times bland, American cuisine" - things like Americanized pizza, burgers, etc. People were also generally "on a mission" if you will wherever they went - people drove fast, walked fast, and did their work fast. I now live in Baltimore, Maryland. The people here have a different accent; cuisine is different and uses different spices in a lot of the cooking (specifically Old Bay) and has a more seafood focus (specifically crabs, shrimp); also there are local favorites including pit style beef, pork, and turkey which is delicious. Culturally, some things are a little slower. There's also a greater racial variety here than there was in Upstate New York State (not to be confused with New York City which is a cultural melting pot with millions of different people of various races). For work, I spend a lot of time in southern Mississippi. There everything is a lot slower, including foot and vehicle traffic. The cuisine is very different and while sea-food focused, includes different varieties than Maryland - specifically a lot of catfish, crawfish. It also includes more fried food and a lot of spicier foods, specifically stuff with a cajun spice palate and different types of food including gumbos. The accent is wildly different than Baltimore and if people speak too fast (which happens from time to time) can sometimes be incredibly difficult to understand for someone who doesn't have an ear for it or speak in that accent. Firearm shops are also the norm in that region. This is just an example of the cultural variety.

There's also the history of the United States. Each State entered the union differently. Each state has their own rich history of how they were founded - ex. New York State was initially founded by the Dutch before the British eventually took over and drove them out; hence why there are a lot of cities throughout NYS with Dutch names. Maryland was founded by an English nobleman who wanted to see a colony where Catholics could freely practice their faith. They were also involved differently in different local conflicts. Other examples? New York State was heavily involved in the American Revolution with some pivotal battles (ex. Battle of Saratoga) fought on New York's soil. For Maryland, much of the War of 1812 was fought in that area. Also, during the American Civil War, Maryland was under martial law and the legislature arrested to prevent them from voting to secede from the union. As I said, variety in history which changes from state to state.

The point? The United States is a huge nation with its own rich history which is, as I mentioned before, generally the focus in the American education system. International history is generally discussed more broadly with nations referred to as nations without a lot of discussion on the breakdown of those nations in grade school.
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I live in England, and I'm not sure what the uk is.
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that rich history is what we in europe just call history, we have bakers that have them.

this isnt to say we are better than, my point is that for you to describe it as "rich" is sort of a symptom of the "disease"
it implies that there are countries for which it isnt, something i find very unlikely, especially considering that some government have existed quite literally for 10 times as long as the american republic.

personally i dont think of the united states as a singular country, more akin to the european union than anything else, a collection of more or less sovereign areas tied together by diplomacy across borders.
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tyranofication wrote:

It's come to my attention that a lot of Americans on the forums seem to think that the UK is England. I'm here to tell you it's not, the UK is made up of 4 countries; Scotland, England, N.Ireland and Wales and they all have their own distinct differences and separate cultures.

In too many situations in real life have i told people i'm from the UK and they have asked me "oh you like tea then?" in a horrible English accent, to which my usual reply is "naw, i'm Scottish" or "Fuck off". And I've actually had a few people say they are "more free" than me because I 'live in a monarchy' when in reality the queen is just a figure head that is used to draw more money into the country (she doesn't actually do anything, she's just basically a celebrity)

I don't want to sound like i'm putting down Americans or anything, but do they not teach them anything about the UK?


They don't even teach them anything about Canada


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UK common abbreviation of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", formed in 1801 from older political entities along cultural/tribal lines.

We don't learn about Canada because our Canadian Overlords want the US ignorant.
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