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Posted 4/15/15 , edited 4/15/15

silversongwriter wrote:


Well... I like eating pork, but I don't judge others who think it's a sin.
When not being judgmental is considered bigoted, we've taken social justice too far. You seem to think that any christians who disagree with homosexuals have some sort of anger or hatred towards them. If so, you're disillusioned. Most churches don't condemn them.

You do understand that religious people typically say, "hate the sin, love the sinner"

Also, you have a different interpretation of those verses... fine. Go to your pro-gay churches and talk about it there. Nothing wrong with your belief, but you can't judge people who have a standard interpretation.

And I thought the movie sucked becuase it was like a shitty lifetime original movie. If it was the message, I'd not have enjoyed Revolutionary girl utena or Yuri Kuma Arashi. But I loved those shows. Revolutionary Girl Utena was my favorite anime of all time, despite it's pro-gay and feminist overtones.

Also, this thread was about prosperity pastors, you're the one bringing up gays



I quoted a comment of yours, if I can remember clearly so I didn't bring up the topic about changing one's sexuality.

See? don't care to hear something that differs to your beliefs.

Bigot: "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions", however, I never said you were one but now I think you are one and your church.

I don't care when people are homophobic and atheist. They have their right to be an ignorant hater their whole life but I do have a problem with religious people who cherry pick verses to condemn and yes, by saying "homosexuality is a sin" and "if you don't change you will go to hell" you are condemning. Why do I have a problem with it? because they use God's word wrongly.

The truth: we are all in condemnation and your sexuality has nothing to do with it (what did God say about the ...heart?)

"hate the sin, love the sinner" is bullshit and not in the Bible. Jesus never said that so stop using it.

I don't give a Fukc about churches, I do believe in God and not in man.

"I'd not have enjoyed Revolutionary girl utena or Yuri Kuma Arashi. But I loved those shows. Revolutionary Girl Utena was my favorite anime of all time, despite it's pro-gay and feminist overtones. "

so you're saying that you oppose homosexuality and feminism? and all this time you were hiding under the pretense "it's not my place to say whether is right or wrong", so I was right, not only you are apologetic towards the churches, you DO agree with them

Next time be clear, don't be afraid to say what you believe so I don't have to waste my time in trying to understand you but now I do. Bye.
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This dude likes Utena Yuri Akuma despite its pro gay and feminist overtones??



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Ssomething wrote:

See? don't care to hear something that differs to your beliefs.


I've been to sites like religious tolerance or gaychristian101... so I've heard the arguments and personallly, I find issues with them. But in 90% of the debates I've had, both sides end up agreeing to disagree. So I know what the points are, I just don't feel like debating.


Ssomething wrote:

Bigot: "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions", however, I never said you were one but now I think you are one and your church.


That's funny considering I don't got to church, nor am I religious. I just don't think it's fair to judge christians who have a standard interpretation of homosexuality.


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I don't care when people are homophobic and atheist. They have their right to be an ignorant hater their whole life but I do have a problem with religious people who cherry pick verses to condemn and yes, by saying "homosexuality is a sin" and "if you don't change you will go to hell" you are condemning. Why do I have a problem with it? because they use God's word wrongly.

The truth: we are all in condemnation and your sexuality has nothing to do with it (what did God say about the ...heart?)


to YOU they're using gods word wrongly... and you assume that all religious people view homosexuality as a "special sin". In that case, they'd be bigots. But most of them treat it like any other sin... That's why I don't call them bigots unless they put homosexuality as a "higher sin", or something like that.


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"hate the sin, love the sinner" is bullshit and not in the Bible. Jesus never said that so stop using it.


But... last time I checked, God hated sin, and the world was condemned... Then he sent his son to die for sinners and those who repent and follow them will recieve salvation... Ain't that what it means to say, "hate the sin, love the sinner"


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"I'd not have enjoyed Revolutionary girl utena or Yuri Kuma Arashi. But I loved those shows. Revolutionary Girl Utena was my favorite anime of all time, despite it's pro-gay and feminist overtones. "

so you're saying that you oppose homosexuality and feminism? and all this time you were hiding under the pretense "it's not my place to say whether is right or wrong", so I was right, not only you are apologetic towards the churches, you DO agree with them


Okay... I shouldn't have said, "despite"
What I meant to say is that if I were really that homophobic, I'd not have loved those shows

Though to be fair, I thought there were some messed up implications in both of those shows, but I don't think they're intentional.


Hope I cleared up the misunderstanding
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Posted 4/15/15 , edited 4/15/15

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I understand that many have enough faith to fork over the money, but I think it should be outlawed because the pastors are being unjustly enriched. They are probably aware that they are not providing a benefit for such a service. It also is immoral from a Christian perspective since it is the same as the selling of indulgences back in the primitive days, promises that one would get to heaven by paying a cleric. I'm not Christian anymore but I'm aware of the nuances of the religion since I've read through the bible more times than I can remember and have gone to church for nearly 2 decades. Leaders should not be extorting the followers and "performing miracles" commercially. Contract agreements that are unconscionable should not be enforceable and something that is pretty much a scam is also illegal and unenforceable.

Going by the holy book itself, this is bad. Conventional society considers it bad. The law considers it bad. Twice. 4-0 loss.

I can understand if the pastor was a poor traveling priest who scrapes by living off donations of food and money while going on missions, but no church leader other than this type should be given this type money for doing his duty. At least, he should not expect them. Even then, the money should be given freely as a donation (and there should be an upper limit since no moral person unfairly accepts the fortunes of the elderly) by the follower and not essentially demanded as payment for service. Of course, pastors should receive a salary but this should come from the whole of the church as an official payroll, not taken from the more devout followers.


It's unfortunate that some people leave themselves open to be taken advantage of, but that doesn't make it okay for them to be taken advantage of. Both sides are sort of in the wrong but that's the point. They're both wrong.


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