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Posted 4/15/15 , edited 4/15/15
Probably the topic was up somewhere or has been discussed somewhere else but I'm gonna bring it up anyways.

Japanese entertainment industry is quite know to give awesome profits, and just talking about japanese consumers.

That being said, it is great that places such as Crunchyroll give us the chance to watch legit anime, and even better, to support the industry in a way by paying a subscription or watching ads. I mean, if we love anime, then we want them to keep making awesome material, isn't it. They won't survive just out of our love to them, they need cash to keep the industry going and all those folks eat three times a day (or they're supposed to). :3

With that premise in mind, I'm sure that all of us here have fallen in love with an song or melody (anime or jpop). And, same as anime, we would like to support the artists and composers of those amazing songs. Then, why in hell it has to be so darn difficult to a non-japanese folk to buy legit music? In this case specifically, Itunes Japan.

I'm 100% that a lot of people here have the same issue. But what can we do ? Go to Japan every time we like one song to buy the physical CD ? Order it to be shipped from Japan with outrageous fees ? Illegally buy japanese Itunes cards from John-Doe risking it for a scam ? Ask a japanese guy to buy it for us then to copy it from his computer to give it to us ?

Every each of those options implies breaking the Itunes Terms of Service....

I know there is a lot of legal crap between nations that has to be arranged first, but, I mean... c'mon. If I were the Apple CEO i would be flipping tables by now. Japanese cultural influence because anime and music is WORLDWIDE and every second they don't fix that crap I am sure they are losing millions of dollars in profit. And even worse, making music lovers turn into illegal download sites. F'ing up the artist as well since they are doing what they love for free.

I mean piracy won't stop completely because of that, but the responsible ppl that respect the artists they love will gladly pay for they work.

Hope everyone can tell their own opinion about the subject.

Thanks.
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Region restrictions are so pointless and unnecessary in this age of easily available internet access.

Imagine the skyrocketing profits the anime industry would see if both Crunchyroll and funimation were always given the ability to stream globally?

Imagine the massive influx of new fans? Imagine the astonishing drops in online piracy.

There needs to be a new bill pushed that eliminates regional restrictions on any form of media. Its stupid and its archaic.
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Yeah the whole DVD Region crap is dumb.
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Posted 4/15/15

AzazelOfNexium wrote:

Region restrictions are so pointless and unnecessary in this age of easily available internet access.

Imagine the skyrocketing profits the anime industry would see if both Crunchyroll and funimation were always given the ability to stream globally?

Imagine the massive influx of new fans? Imagine the astonishing drops in online piracy.

There needs to be a new bill pushed that eliminates regional restrictions on any form of media. Its stupid and its archaic.


I totally agree with you. Which is why always piracy wins over legit. They don't have to bother with region restrictions.
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Yeah the whole DVD Region crap is dumb.


Blu-ray regions was loosen a little bit, but no doubt, its dumb as hell.
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AzazelOfNexium wrote:

Region restrictions are so pointless and unnecessary in this age of easily available internet access.

Imagine the skyrocketing profits the anime industry would see if both Crunchyroll and funimation were always given the ability to stream globally?

Imagine the massive influx of new fans? Imagine the astonishing drops in online piracy.

There needs to be a new bill pushed that eliminates regional restrictions on any form of media. Its stupid and its archaic.


I totally agree with you. Which is why always piracy wins over legit. They don't have to bother with region restrictions.


Let's make it harder to be legal! And cost a metric ton more!

Great job!

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Posted 4/15/15

VZ68 wrote:


henohenomoheiji wrote:


AzazelOfNexium wrote:

Region restrictions are so pointless and unnecessary in this age of easily available internet access.

Imagine the skyrocketing profits the anime industry would see if both Crunchyroll and funimation were always given the ability to stream globally?

Imagine the massive influx of new fans? Imagine the astonishing drops in online piracy.

There needs to be a new bill pushed that eliminates regional restrictions on any form of media. Its stupid and its archaic.


I totally agree with you. Which is why always piracy wins over legit. They don't have to bother with region restrictions.


Let's make it harder to be legal! And cost a metric ton more!

Great job!



Well, we can blame bureaucracy and incompetence for that. They need to put their crap together and make us able to buy legal music from Itunes.
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henohenomoheiji wrote:



I've been legally buying from iTunes Japan while in the US for nearly a year. Just requires a little effort to get the account created and also buying iTunes Japan gift cards from somewhere (J-List and other reliable sources). Depending on how much you're paying for the GCs, the prices are similar if not a little less than getting the CDs (excluding shipping/customs fees).

It would be nice if more music from Japan was licensed for sale via iTunes US. I know a lot of the Pony Canyon shows that their stateside branch is licensing have had their OP/ED songs listed and acquiring iTunes US gift cards for 15-25% off is becoming the norm.
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I've been legally buying from iTunes Japan while in the US for nearly a year. Just requires a little effort to get the account created and also buying iTunes Japan gift cards from somewhere (J-List and other reliable sources. Depending on how much you're paying for the GCs, the prices are similar if not a little less than getting the CDs (excluding shipping/customs fees).

It would be nice if more music from Japan was licensed for sale via iTunes US. I know a lot of the Pony Canyon shows that their stateside branch is licensing have had their OP/ED songs listed and acquiring iTunes US gift cards for 15-25% off is becoming the norm.


Oh don't get me wrong, I've made a Japanese Itunes Account myself, to watch whats on and other stuff.

Thing is that, no matter how reliable the site who sells Itunes gift cards may be, those cards supposedly are nontransferable, meaning you should be having it physically in your hands and you scratching it to watch the code. Otherwise is just finding loopholes in the rules.

Also, since I know the language its no problem to me to browse between the account and make one, but that's not the point, we shouldn't know japanese to be able to buy in Itunes Japan. Sure, its Japan for a reason, but the whole point of opening the market is to be able for non japanese speakers to buy freely and legit.

Like for instance, use shazam to know what music are we hearing, then to get the Itunes link and be able to buy it with no "Itunes is about to change store region" BS. Just be able to pay it and be happy with your purchase. :3
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henohenomoheiji wrote:


kastzy wrote:

I've been legally buying from iTunes Japan while in the US for nearly a year. Just requires a little effort to get the account created and also buying iTunes Japan gift cards from somewhere (J-List and other reliable sources. Depending on how much you're paying for the GCs, the prices are similar if not a little less than getting the CDs (excluding shipping/customs fees).

It would be nice if more music from Japan was licensed for sale via iTunes US. I know a lot of the Pony Canyon shows that their stateside branch is licensing have had their OP/ED songs listed and acquiring iTunes US gift cards for 15-25% off is becoming the norm.


Oh don't get me wrong, I've made a Japanese Itunes Account myself, to watch whats on and other stuff.

Thing is that, no matter how reliable the site who sells Itunes gift cards may be, those cards supposedly are nontransferable, meaning you should be having it physically in your hands and you scratching it to watch the code. Otherwise is just finding loopholes in the rules.

Also, since I know the language its no problem to me to browse between the account and make one, but that's not the point, we shouldn't know japanese to be able to buy in Itunes Japan. Sure, its Japan for a reason, but the whole point of opening the market is to be able for non japanese speakers to buy freely and legit.

Like for instance, use shazam to know what music are we hearing, then to get the Itunes link and be able to buy it with no "Itunes is about to change store region" BS. Just be able to pay it and be happy with your purchase. :3


I get your reasoning now. Yeah, getting just a photo of the code (J-List) or just the code emailed out to you can be a touchy subject. One of the sellers of iTunes Japan gift cards I buy from does offer to mail the cards.

Basically when I find a song I like, I usually run off to wikipedia or youtube to find the name of the song in Japanese and copy/paste it into iTunes. I've got iTunes on my desktop logged into the Japan store and I do nearly all of my US purchases off my iPhone.

But yeah, your thoughts on a open, region free marketplace would be nice, if it ever becomes reality.
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It's amazing that the Japanese music executives are just leaving this much money on the table - even if a song never becomes popular, the marginal cost to put a whole catalog on US iTunes is trivial in comparison to the sales they're losing.

There are hundreds of US-made cover versions of anime songs - there's at least one company that seems to do nothing else.

How could it be profitable to hire musicians, write scores, and record so many songs - but not worth it to just copy a digital file and hire someone to manage the process to sell the originals?

Sure, there are certainly rights issues - but they've had more than enough time to write that sort of thing into contracts.

Heck, it surprises me that Crunchyroll hasn't been looking into becoming a US/Japan music service - offer the same terms that Apple does on iTunes, and leverage their stake in the anime industry to sell a whole bunch of music to people who really want it...

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I get your reasoning now. Yeah, getting just a photo of the code (J-List) or just the code emailed out to you can be a touchy subject. One of the sellers of iTunes Japan gift cards I buy from does offer to mail the cards.

Basically when I find a song I like, I usually run off to wikipedia or youtube to find the name of the song in Japanese and copy/paste it into iTunes. I've got iTunes on my desktop logged into the Japan store and I do nearly all of my US purchases off my iPhone.

But yeah, your thoughts on a open, region free marketplace would be nice, if it ever becomes reality.


I really do respect all ppl like you that do every effort possible to buy legit music. Sometimes I ask my local japanese friends to do purchases for me and I give 'em the cash, but then again is just avoiding the rules and for 90% of the ppl is just a pain in the butt.

For real, they are losing a sh*t ton of money because of region restrictions. Money for Apple, money for the artists, and so on. (´з`)
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It's amazing that the Japanese music executives are just leaving this much money on the table - even if a song never becomes popular, the marginal cost to put a whole catalog on US iTunes is trivial in comparison to the sales they're losing.

There are hundreds of US-made cover versions of anime songs - there's at least one company that seems to do nothing else.

How could it be profitable to hire musicians, write scores, and record so many songs - but not worth it to just copy a digital file and hire someone to manage the process to sell the originals?

Sure, there are certainly rights issues - but they've had more than enough time to write that sort of thing into contracts.

Heck, it surprises me that Crunchyroll hasn't been looking into becoming a US/Japan music service - offer the same terms that Apple does on iTunes, and leverage their stake in the anime industry to sell a whole bunch of music to people who really want it...



Oh wow, making CR a jpop/anime music selling service, that is an amazing idea!
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I have never use ITunes, just use Moe Radio. My final solution to this that I found in 2012.
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Posted 4/15/15 , edited 4/16/15

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I have never use ITunes, just use Moe Radio. My final solution to this that I found in 2012.


Is that only bound to the internet ?

You legally pay for a copy of a song you like ?

Dunno about the service, that's why I ask
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