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Posted 4/17/15 , edited 9/8/15


Disclaimer:
THIS IS NOT A THREAD JUST ABOUT FANSERVICE!
We already have enough of those.


Well, now since we have that out of the way, I want this thread to be a general discussion about sexual content in animes, mangas, visual novels, and light novels, and your views on it.

Sexual content is used in a lot of different ways in the industry and I believe it's worth discussing about. Sexual content doesn't necessarily just mean fanservice, but kissing, hugging, sex, and physical contact in general.

What is your guys' opinions on how studios execute sexual content?

Here's some basic questions to help get you thinking about the topic:
- For visual novels, is it too black and white? It's either All Ages with some times zero sexual content at all (including kissing) or an adult version with really graphic sex scenes. Is it not possible to have a moderate sex scene without going overboard?
- In animes, some studios will avoid showing kissing despite the anime being a romance anime/having a fairly relevant romance subplot. Does this bug you? Why or why not.
- Why is violence allowed to be shown in its full glory and then something like consensual sex is frowned upon by the media and some times viewers (in both Japan and in the USA)? Is sex somehow worse than murdering someone?
- Why is sex so taboo? Is there a reason for this?
- Is sex becoming more acceptable in society's eyes? Is our entertainment media including or referencing it more often? Are people getting more used to it?
- What are some examples of animes/VNs/mangas/LNs that use sexual content well? What are ones that use it poorly?
- Do you not like sexual content: sex, kissing, hugging, etc? Do you wish it was shown less?
- Fanservice: Do you like it? Hate it? Depends on how it's used?
- Fanservice vs sexual content? Is there a difference?
- Can there be no such thing as "eroge anime" without completely going into hentai level of stupidity in the plot and characters?
- Do you find it strange that a lot of ecchi-harem shows have no actual sex? Not even implied?

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*Side note 1: In regards to "sex" and these questions, I'm just generalizing here; These are just general questions, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with either one, they're just meant to be non-partisan questions for you to answer for yourself and think about. You don't have to answer the questions if you do not want to, that's optional. Just tell me your views on the subject matter.

I'll tell you my views in the comments later.

Also don't get too hung up on just sex; sexual content also relates to physical contact in general such as kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc.

*Side note 2: If you have any questions of your own, please quote me to have them included in the OP. If there's some questions that you want other people answering then let me know. However, I'm limiting 3 questions per person to avoid an overload.


You don't have to answer those directly, but those are just some ideas. Just talk about your feelings on how sexual content is depicted in the anime industry.
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Posted 4/17/15 , edited 4/17/15
So... You want to talk about ero anime?

Or anime with ero stuff in it?



Rumbling Hearts uses sexual content very well.

Ef series also.

School days, how not to have an affair.



Japanese people embrace sexuality, yet they censor everything obscene. Food for thought.

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Here's some basic questions to help get you thinking about the topic:
- For visual novels, is it too black and white? It's either All Ages with some times zero sexual content at all (including kissing) or an adult version with really graphic sex scenes. Is it not possible to have a moderate sex scene without going overboard?
- In animes, some studios will avoid showing kissing despite the anime being a romance anime/having a fairly relevant romance subplot. Does this bug you? Why or why not.
- Why is violence allowed to be shown in its full glory and then something like consensual sex is frowned upon by the media and some times viewers (in both Japan and in the USA)? Is sex somehow worse than murdering someone?
- Why is sex so taboo? Is there a reason for this?
- What are some examples of animes/VNs/mangas that use sexual content well? What are ones that use it poorly?
- Ecchi comedies with no sex: What's up with that?

You don't have to answer those directly, but those are just some ideas. Just talk about your feelings on how sexual content is depicted in the anime industry.

First off I don't think you should be comparing violence and sex; they are too different things that society is exposed to at vastly different degrees and thus are dealt with in a very different way.

Personally I dislike overtly sexual content in anime (inb4 slandered for Witchblade), the reason is that more often than not it's uncomfortable to
watch — especially if you and a couple of friends are hanging out. I also dislike it because the most common sexual content found in anime is fan service — you can't get away from it, specially when you make a post relating to sexual content. Fan service to me is just plan obnoxious, more often than not taking away from proper character development for extremely cheap attempts at pandering.

Now, sex is taboo for a myriad of reasons. We could spend a loong time talking about this, but honestly it comes down to how a lot of someone's morals and the overall zeitgeist of a populous is passed down from generation to generation. It changes, but not rapidly.
Sex is an intimate thing, most people aren't keen to sharing and flaunting their private lives, so naturally, when it comes to a medium that you want to utilize for a shared experience with others — like an anime, movie, book — having it overly sexual wouldn't do it any favors for either mass appeal or simply being comfortable talking about it. I.E. Normal people don't go around talking about and sharing their pornographic endeavors.
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What am i fighting for.
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Posted 4/17/15 , edited 4/17/15

AnimeKami wrote:

So... You want to talk about ero anime?

Or anime with ero stuff in it?



Either one. It's up to you. This thread is suppose to encompass the entire subject matter.

You can even argue against why you don't want to see more sex and sexual content in anime, it's up to you.

I just want to get some discussions going about the topic.
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What am i fighting for.


Your mechanical love interest, who now that I think about it has a serious case of elephantiasis on her legs.
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I'm gunna address your first question, about VNs, cuz it's the easiest (in my opinion)
what drives this kind of decision, I belive, is economics. At the end of the day, publishers are in the business to make money (I feel like some people lose sight of this sometimes, but that is a different discussion all together) so they want to publish as few versions as possible, becasue the more versions they publish, the more their cost goes up. but on the other hand, they want to appeal to as wide an audience as they can, so the happy medium they have found is the 2 version thing they have now.
Why cant they just split the difference and just release one version without the super explicit content but containing kissing and mabye a little more? Because people will pay good money to see animated charecters bone each other, and, conversly, people will pay good money to have their kids witness "pure" relationships with minimal physical contact.

I know that feel though, I'm a grown ass man and when I see two charecters that like eachother, I want them to do what lovers do, but I don't always want to watch them do the deed.

As for why sex is viewed as more taboo than violence, I dont have a great answer. Before I was introduced to anime, I would have blamed Christianity for being weird and contradictory due to the heavy influance it has on culture in the States, but it seems the same in Japan, so I have no idea.

Last thing, KLK was an ecchi comedy with no sex and I doubt anybody is going to complain about that

Edit: dat text wall...sorry....
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Regarding visual novels, sex scenes can be moderately done. Look at Katawa Shoujo. Only like one scene total with the typical graphic sex, the rest were all more or less like the softcore porn on premium cable channels where you know they are boning but it isn't graphically shown.
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Well, Human emotions(Love/Lust, Hate, Sorrow, ect) are easy to sell in comparison to society drama (Seinen, History and Acton stuff) since ancient times.
Many people find that they would do desperate, thing for human intercourse or that they just want to see it.
The industry that see that there is a demand for it, they will fill that offers.
Now with the age of personal privately and freedom of expression it was just natural.

Example

For you to believe it or not there is an actual demand from the people to get this series animated.

The industry do not sell stuff alone, they analyze the market and see what the people want and if they want if well...
Just look how much the Anime Industry make with Action-Dolls, Figmas, Pre-painted Statues and Garage Kits.
Posted 4/18/15 , edited 4/18/15
Ok - interesting. I'll begin by answering the starter questions, then diving into other stuff.

1. I don't play visual novels, so I can't speak to that dichotomy. I can say that if I ever started, I would prefer for them to keep it that way though. I don't see anything wrong with it all ages vs explicit.

2. Honestly - not showing kissing does not bug me. Love is not tied to physical displays - physical displays are just markers that signify something deeper. I'm of the opinion that you can have a perfectly legitimate romance without a single kiss. That being said - I personally think kissing is fine and wouldn't be averse to seeing more of that in romance, but I don't think it's necessary.

3. Sex is not "worse" or even bad - it's just not appropriate or desired for all viewers. Honestly, I don't really know what you mean by it being "frowned upon" - especially in the West. I have to supremely disagree on that front. With regard to anime, however, i'd say there are a variety of reasons - but i'd coalesce them into two primary ideas. First, quite a few anime characters are minors. Second, even for shows with adult characters, sex isn't always necessary to the story. I for one am not a fan of just throwing in sex to make a show more "adult". For the record, I feel the same way about gore.

4. See the above. I'd say it's probably "taboo" because sex is an inherently intimate and private act. Why don't you see more anime characters go to the bathroom? It's a natural part of life, but you don't always want to see that part of someone else's life. Now, i'm not really trying to draw that analogy directly or say "sex is disguising" or anything like that - i'm just trying to use it to illustrate a point: namely, that you don't always want to see certain aspects of other people's lives.

5. Examples that used it well? I'd say Nana. Example that used it poorly? Ef- A Tale of Memories

6. I actually agree with this complaint, primarily because of what I said in 1. I'd rather you either go all out or don't go at all than sit in some weird "grey area". That being said - I understand the mentality behind it. You want to get that sort of stuff out there to garner views while still keeping a rating to appeal to the largest audience possible.

General Thoughts

Personally, I understand why some people want to see more sexual content in anime. However - what I don't understand is people who complain about it. As in, people who say that a romance is bad because it doesn't have a sex scene or because the characters don't kiss. I think that's a bit unfair both to the authors and towards the fans. In other words, if one wants to see more sex in romance anime, that's understandable, so long as one realizes that there are others who prefer the opposite. I'm in that group for a variety of reasons. Heck, you could say it's one reason why I drifted away from western media - along with their propensity towards unnecessary explosions.
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Koda89 wrote:

Regarding visual novels, sex scenes can be moderately done. Look at Katawa Shoujo. Only like one scene total with the typical graphic sex, the rest were all more or less like the softcore porn on premium cable channels where you know they are boning but it isn't graphically shown.


I was actually thinking about mentioning that, but it's been so long i couldnt quite remember


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Personally I dislike overtly sexual content in anime (inb4 slandered for Witchblade), the reason is that more often than not it's uncomfortable to
watch — especially if you and a couple of friends are hanging out. I also dislike it because the most common sexual content found in anime is fan service — you can't get away from it, specially when you make a post relating to sexual content. Fan service to me is just plan obnoxious, more often than not taking away from proper character development for extremely cheap attempts at pandering.
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I know what you mean, there are quite a few shows that I droped because they just made me feel uncomfortable.
I do have one issue with your post, I feel like people forget that "fan service" dosent have to look like this; fan service comes in other forms than just butts and boobs. For example: the way Nisekoi is structured. Nisekoi has two Main heroines that are both very popular, so the Manga generally alternates as such: Chitoge arc, plot/side char arc, Onodera (older) arc, plot/side char arc, rinse and repeat. Note that the heroines in Nisekoi are not particularly sexualised, obviosly they are a bit, like every anime girl ever (refer to Male Gaze). But the series is mostly devoid of the kind of fan service you are refering to.
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Heck, you could say it's one reason why I drifted away from western media - along with their propensity towards unnecessary explosions.


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It really depends on how it is implemented into the story, in my opinion. Sexual activity could really develop relationships between characters, and move the plot in a new direction, if used properly. As for people who shame things just because it has sex or something of the like in it, I think they are a bit insecure about their own feelings.

As for specifically visual novels, I think H-scenes are a must have for romance stories. It doesn't have to be directly in the story, but maybe part of extras for the people who want that, like they did in Fate Hollow Ataraxia. I imagine a ton of people (sometimes myself included...) would want that after chasing after a girl for 100+ hours.

In anime, I think it is more used as mockery of fanservice and comedic relief now. It seems to usually work well, but there are a few here and there that make you cringe.
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seekerperson7 wrote:
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Heck, you could say it's one reason why I drifted away from western media - along with their propensity towards unnecessary explosions.


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LOL - I will have to play that someday. I feel ashamed that I haven't.

Aw, shoot, but you reminded me that this same topic can apply to video games as well. Not that I even want to touch that topic with a 39.5 foot pole due to all the recent political upheaval in the gaming community which i've (thankfully) stayed out of

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It really depends on how it is implemented into the story, in my opinion. Sexual activity could really develop relationships between characters, and move the plot in a new direction, if used properly. As for people who shame things just because it has sex or something of the like in it, I think they are a bit insecure about their own feelings.

As for specifically visual novels, I think H-scenes are a must have for romance stories. It doesn't have to be directly in the story, but maybe part of extras for the people who want that, like they did in Fate Hollow Ataraxia. I imagine a ton of people (sometimes myself included...) would want that after chasing after a girl for 100+ hours.

In anime, I think it is more used as mockery of fanservice and comedic relief now. It seems to usually work well, but there are a few here and there that make you cringe.




I'll be honest... I don't think we need to watch someone have sex to know they love each other in a story... this isn't real life where you have dated someone and you want to move your relationship forward... the show could simple have them go to bed together and wake up the next morning we don't have to watch it... Another negative fact to this would be if you add sex scenes then this would most likely get more restrictions in other places outside of Japan. Could finally really be called child porn at that point depending on the ages of the characters being portrayed. A good lawyer can swing stuff and with anime wouldn't be hard.

Shows like High School DxD are pushing the limits already with the over the top nudity and the molesting by sick evil people. Not a lot of difference in it and porn besides sex scenes add that and it belongs as porn not regular anime.
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