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I really dont care if how much sex is in our media. Its stupid that we place dumb limits on it. Im not puritanical enough to be against this, people being sexy, and so forth.

BUT WHAT OF THE CHILDREN. Thats when the parents come in, parents should control what there children watch. One of my favorite albums of all time is Big Blacks-Songs about Fucking replete with a face taken from a hentai as the cover. I love the album but I certainly wont be showing it to my kids.
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Sex is ubiquitous. Seriously, find me an anime that hasn't fetishized somebody or something, or includes sex or things that pertain to sex.
Even in madoka magica, there was at least ten minutes in the first episode devoted to conversations about being pretty and desirable to boys.

I don't really want that forced on me. I see enough sex everywhere. I understand that people love sex more than love itself. However, it doesn't need to be there to show affection between two characters. They don't need to kiss. They don't need to be naked in bed together. There's an entire genre called pornography. It has its own domain name. That's how ubiquitous sex is. Food Wars has characters orgasming over eating food. That took me straight out of the anime every time it happened. It's comedic, sure, and I'm desensitized to it because people put sex in everything, Heck, I enjoy ecchi, but I don't see the reason it needs to saturate everything even more than it already does.

Its depiction is a cultural construct. Kissing is a cultural construct. Holding hands is a cultural construct. There are things called decency laws because some people don't want to see other people violating cultural norms in a way that makes them very uncomfortable. Why do they exist? Because depicting it can make people uncomfortable. Not everybody is okay with staring at naked people gyrating in a bed, and just because some people are okay with it doesn't make it okay for those people to make the ones who aren't uncomfortable. Very popular shows tend not to have overt sex in them because cultural reasons. They probably will have it sometime in the future. Until then I'm perfectly happy having my one or two shows that don't scream sex and relationships in my ear at every opportunity.

Note: I might be coming off strongly here.
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The point is that it takes away from the immersion into the material. If you have two people who are clearly in love with other and have said so on multiple occasions yet show no physical signs of it for no adequate reasons, I find myself to be taken out of the story, since I can't believe in the romance that is being set up. These people are in love. Why? Because they said so.
Now, I don't think that I'd have to tell you what the problem is with the opposite end of the spectrum, do I? The lack of moderation leads to there being very little actually believable, relatble and authentic feeling romance within Visual Novels, at least from my point of view.


I suppose i'll concede this point. Again - I really can't speak to visual novels (since I don't play them). Thus, i'm really not comfortable making comments about the sexual content in them.


It's not about making it more adult, it's about being realistic, natural and relatable. Kissing, hugging and sex is a thing that happens, even with minors. And before you shout "child porn" in my face, I have said before that I am not interested in seeing the details. Again, moderation is what I want. I just want the medium to at least allude to what happened, to not deny that there is something going on there. It may not be desired for all viewers, but the same thing applies to pretty much everything. There are people that don't want to see characters smoke or drink, people that find a show that talks about religion to be appaling and lots and lots of people have a huge problem with violence in general. I am not talking in throwing in sex for the sake of having sex. No, that would go into Ecchi or Hentai territory. It's about doing what feels naturally instead of awkwardly moving around the topic of sex and every turn.


So something like Clannad then? If that's all you're talking about, then I say, go for it! I don't really have any problem with allusions. Maybe I should have added that to my list of good examples. As for "what feels naturally" and "realism". Realism, in particular, is not always desirable. Sometimes it is, but not always. Even the experiences of love portrayed in anime aren't always realistic, but we can still appreciate that idealized aspect of them. Look at Kimi ni Todoke - what romance looks like that in real life? But I think the show is utterly brilliant. And I, for one, never felt like a show awkwardly danced around the topic of sex. I guess because i'm not looking for that type of thing to begin with, so it doesn't cross my mind when it's absent.


Now, this is what I don't understand. It's legitimate to see sexual acts as something intimate and private, but the same would apply to things like love confessions or marriage proposals. But those are apparently completely okay. Why the split between the mental and the physical? If you want to protect the sacred bond two people share why only apply it to how they physically show their love to each other? Why is one thing considered pure and the other inpure?
Nobody is talking about directly showing the ins and outs (literally) of someone's sex life, what I am talking about is showing the bond that two people share by having them kiss, hug and go to bed with each other, like people tend to do in real life. You don't have to be explicit about it, but you don't have to shy away from it completely either. Moderation is the keyword here.


Hmm, I see what you're saying but I still kind of have to disagree. I think there's a distinction there. For example, marriage proposals are sometimes public. Some people do confess in public. Rarely do you see people having sex in public. Now, i'm not merely trying to draw a public vs private distinction here. People's diaries are private, but that doesn't make them taboo to show in a film or something. And it's also not about pure vs impure as much as it is appropriate vs inappropriate. It's hard for me to give you an analogy without at least "drawing" on the pure vs impure "mentality though. So imagine the following analogy but without the moral implications (if that's possible).

Drug use. Say you have a show that alludes to drug use. That's fine, understandable, and a valid plot point. If this is all you're arguing for, then again, i'd say that's fine and we can stop here. Now, if you wan't to see "more needles" - then it becomes an issue of just pure appropriateness. I don't think you're arguing for "more needles" though, so this probably isn't as necessary, but it might serve as an illustration to someone else.

The sex vs the kissing and hugging are two different arguments i'm making though. The sex thing is an argument about appropriateness - and again, I concede that allusions are fine. The kissing and hugging thing is not the same argument. I'm not saying that kissing and hugging are inappropriate, i'm saying that if they are excluded, that's not really a bad thing. If an author or a company wants to show kissing, that's perfectly fine, if they don't, that doesn't make the show any worse is basically what i'm saying here. I don't think they omit "kissing" because it's lewd, but rather because it probably doesn't match the aesthetic of the particular romantic story they are trying to tell. Or perhaps it does match - but just not yet. If I could write, I would probably make a story like that. Maybe a story about two people who fall in love and then are eternally separated from one another save from writing letters or something. But that's just me rambling about my aesthetics now lol.


And moderation is what Anime, VN's and so on sorely lack. Now, I don't have a problem with Ecchi and Hentai. Those have their point. They are a fantasy made to sexually arouse people, just like porn is. Nothing wrong with that at all. When it comes down to it, fanservice is a larger problem.
Now, I don't have a problem with fanservice in general. I don't avoid shows with a lot of fanservice, especially when you're watching an Ecchi it's kind of a dumb point to complain about, since that is the point of the show in the first place. And I do understand why fanservice exists. It does however strengthen the public oppinion of sexual things being dirty, embarassing and inpure, since the way it is being portrayed is just so immature most of the time. And that is what I don't like about it.


Interestingly, I kind of agree with this point. Though, for me the issue has never been pure vs impure, but rather serious vs trivial.


And maturity is all it comes down to in the end. The Anime industry and we as a society need to find a mature way to deal with sexual content. Sexual relations are as much of a natural thing as sleeping or eating, it's the most normal thing in the world and while I don't think that it will ever be seen as such, we definitely have to get away from the immature mindset that sex is "inpure", "dirty" or "a big no no". And the first step on that way would be more products trying to handle the topic of sexuality in a rational and adult way, rather than shying away from it or producing sexual material that is mainly meant for arousal. The representation of sexuality within the medium of Anime needs to become more natural, instead of going into the extremes we mostly have today.


Kind of have to disagree here. Everyone everywhere eats and sleeps everyday to survive. Not everyone is having sex day in and day out (some are, obviously, but not everyone is). Nor do we need it to survive (our species does, but not us personally). I also agree that we should produce more content that handles sex maturely, but we might disagree on what that looks like.


Now, I too realize that this is not something that can be achieved over night and I personally doubt that I'll get to see the day when the standing of sexuality within society has come to the point that I think it should be at, but we'll never get there if people continue on with the attitude of "sex is a taboo, can't do anything about it". Because sexuality in itself (again, I am not talking about details about your sexual life or preferences) being looked at so closeminded is bullshit and you all know it.


And, once more, I do agree people are a *little* too keen to shy away from sex. But does it really matter? Think about how you would react in real life (because even though these stories are fictional, we still watch them in the real world). When you see a grotesque murder, you cringe. When you see someone humiliate themselves you feel second hand embarrassment. Even though it's fiction, you can still experience psychological reactions to what's shown because you yourself are not fictional. So when you see two characters having sex, doesn't it make sense for some not all, but some to feel uncomfortable since they would, likewise, feel uncomfortable or out of place if they were to stumble on such a situation in real life. Audience reaction is important as well. And I personally think a significant majority of the population will always be averse to such things. I don't really think some sort of "societal revolution" will change that unless, at some point, public sex becomes a thing. Which it may - who knows? I personally hope not though lol.
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- For visual novels, is it too black and white? It's either All Ages with some times zero sexual content at all (including kissing) or an adult version with really graphic sex scenes. Is it not possible to have a moderate sex scene without going overboard?4
It's possible... but there's not much a point in a sex scene that ain't hot

- In animes, some studios will avoid showing kissing despite the anime being a romance anime/having a fairly relevant romance subplot. Does this bug you? Why or why not.
It does... It bothers me because you have such ballsless male leads who are so afraid to make a move on a girl

- Why is violence allowed to be shown in its full glory and then something like consensual sex is frowned upon by the media and some times viewers (in both Japan and in the USA)? Is sex somehow worse than murdering someone?
Simple... you can engage in sex as a young person easier than you can get away with murder. Kids can mimics sexual stuff, but unless they are insane, they're not gonna mimic violence on TV

- Why is sex so taboo? Is there a reason for this?
Simple, it can lead to issues and irresponsibility when the people involved are not mature and ready enough for it.

- Is sex becoming more acceptable in society's eyes? Is our entertainment media including or referencing it more often? Are people getting more used to it?
Yea... people get desensitized to stuff fast

- Do you not like sexual content: sex, kissing, hugging, etc? Do you wish it was shown less?
As long as the women involved are hot

- Fanservice: Do you like it? Hate it? Depends on how it's used?
Are the women sexy? If so, then I do like it

- Fanservice vs sexual content? Is there a difference?
Yes, an example would be the sex scene between Akio and Utena... as well as every other sex scene in Revolutionary Girl Utena. They were made as art, not fan service

- Can there be no such thing as "eroge anime" without completely going into hentai level of stupidity in the plot and characters?
Of course you can

- Do you find it strange that a lot of ecchi-harem shows have no actual sex? Not even implied?
Doesn't surprise me, the creators wanted to show sexual content, not do something you can take seriously
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I don't have the time right now, so I will try to answer in short form, sorry for that.


seekerperson7 wrote:

So something like Clannad then? If that's all you're talking about, then I say, go for it! I don't really have any problem with allusions. Maybe I should have added that to my list of good examples. As for "what feels naturally" and "realism". Realism, in particular, is not always desirable. Sometimes it is, but not always. Even the experiences of love portrayed in anime aren't always realistic, but we can still appreciate that idealized aspect of them. Look at Kimi ni Todoke - what romance looks like that in real life? But I think the show is utterly brilliant. And I, for one, never felt like a show awkwardly danced around the topic of sex. I guess because i'm not looking for that type of thing to begin with, so it doesn't cross my mind when it's absent.


1. No, Clannad is not a good example of what I thought of. I think the first fifth or so of Ame to Yuki, where it goes into the relationship between father and mother, would be a better example (possible bestiality issues aside).
2. "Realistic" was probably the wrong word to use here, "believable" sounds better.
3. It's fine if it isn't a topic that annoys you specifically, good for you then, you get to enjoy more shows thanks to that. But it is there, especially in All Ages Visual Novels. If you want to I can make a list containing all Anime where this specific issue happened to annoy me personally, but it's gonna be rather long and I'd like to save the time that would take.


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Hmm, I see what you're saying but I still kind of have to disagree. I think there's a distinction there. For example, marriage proposals are sometimes public. Some people do confess in public. Rarely do you see people having sex in public. Now, i'm not merely trying to draw a public vs private distinction here. People's diaries are private, but that doesn't make them taboo to show in a film or something. And it's also not about pure vs impure as much as it is appropriate vs inappropriate. It's hard for me to give you an analogy without at least "drawing" on the pure vs impure "mentality though. So imagine the following analogy but without the moral implications (if that's possible).

Drug use. Say you have a show that alludes to drug use. That's fine, understandable, and a valid plot point. If this is all you're arguing for, then again, i'd say that's fine and we can stop here. Now, if you wan't to see "more needles" - then it becomes an issue of just pure appropriateness. I don't think you're arguing for "more needles" though, so this probably isn't as necessary, but it might serve as an illustration to someone else.

The sex vs the kissing and hugging are two different arguments i'm making though. The sex thing is an argument about appropriateness - and again, I concede that allusions are fine. The kissing and hugging thing is not the same argument. I'm not saying that kissing and hugging are inappropriate, i'm saying that if they are excluded, that's not really a bad thing. If an author or a company wants to show kissing, that's perfectly fine, if they don't, that doesn't make the show any worse is basically what i'm saying here


I think you got the point of the comparison, we don't need to argue about the fine details here.
Again, what I'm saying is not "I want to see more sex, show me all the sex!", I just want them to put it in (quite literally) where it fits, instead of stumbling around to avoid it at all costs. I don't need to see full frontal nudity, even though that is a thing I think people are too closeminded about as well, but whatever, different topic, and I don't need to see the act itself. Something like Ame to Yuki is completely fine with me.
I am also not saying that I want every romance show to be full of kissing, hugging and sexual intercourse. If there is a reason why it's not present or it simply doesn't fit the tone, that is completely fine, but if the immersion is broken, because this topic needs to be avoided, that is where I personally get pissed.


seekerperson7 wrote:

Kind of have to disagree here. Everyone everywhere eats and sleeps everyday to survive. Not everyone is having sex day in and day out (some are, obviously, but not everyone is). Nor do we need it to survive (our species does, but not us personally). I also agree that we should produce more content that handles sex maturely, but we might disagree on what that looks like.


Well, if you look at it from a purely biological point of view, the only reason we eat and sleep everyday is so that we can have sex and reproduce at some point in the future
But I think you got the general point, it's part of everyone's live, a vital part that we can't get around.


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And, once more, I do agree people are a *little* too keen to shy away from sex. But does it really matter? Think about how you would react in real life (because even though these stories are fictional, we still watch them in the real world). When you see a grotesque murder, you cringe. When you see someone humiliate themselves you feel second hand embarrassment. Even though it's fiction, you can still experience psychological reactions to what's shown because you yourself are not fictional. So when you see two characters having sex, doesn't it make sense for some not all, but some to feel uncomfortable since they would, likewise, feel uncomfortable or out of place if they were to stumble on such a situation in real life. Audience reaction is important as well. And I personally think a significant majority of the population will always be averse to such things. I don't really think some sort of "societal revolution" will change that unless, at some point, public sex becomes a thing. Which it may - who knows? I personally hope not though lol.


Okay, point taken. I don't hope that public sex becomes a thing either, mostly for sanitary reasons
Couple of issues with it nonetheless. Not in all forms of fiction are you a third person on-looker. Loads of stories try hard in order for you to connect with the main character, especially Visual Novels, so I don't think that the comparison to walking in on people having sex really works. I don't say that it always works and it has to be done right, but that's no reason to shy away from it. It always depends on how the rest of the product is written.
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As a blanket statement let me say I am against all forms of censorship, except the humorous kind where they make fun of censorship by making it so overboard.


Pretty much this for me too. I want to see what the creator(s) vision is unobstructed.
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Okocha119 wrote:

Great, a thread for me





You nailed it, absolutely nailed it.


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Really, if you think about it, how many series with actual romances end with the main characters not even kissing? Or, as the KyoAni cliche goes, showing the back of the characters' heads while they kiss, as if showing their lips was akin to full frontal nudity?

Truthfully, this actually becomes *more* absurd in ecchi/harem series. You end up with series like Seikon no Qwaser, where the main characters' relationship is comically chaste, given that he's literally suckling her breasts every other episode. It's like, if the series has graphic nudity, they have to make up for it by having the central characters not acknowledge their own sexual desires. There are exceptions, obviously (the recently ended Testament of New Sister Devil is one, for instance), but it is curious that so many series with graphic "sexual content" go out of their way to make the scenes with this content so deliberately non-sexual.


Ya I think it's a huge problem how in a lot of shows sexuality is portrayed very immaturely and for comic relief. I don't want to under play every ecchi out there because I do like a vast majority of them (I love ecchi-harem shows), but I want some type of balance here. I believe if we had more shows that dealt with sexual content in a more mature and realistic manner the views on sexual content would be a lot tamer.

Though, ecchi shows are not the only problem here (hell they're probably the ones I have the least problems with since they know what they're trying to be), a lot of action-shounen shows won't even deal with romance in a legit way. It'll be thrown under the bus or the MC is too stupid that nothing goes anywhere. That really pisses me off because those are just writing techniques to avoid the situation entirely, when it should be a part of these characters' lives (not all shounens of course, but some that have a fairly relevant romance subplot). What does that tell us as viewers? That we should ignore romance and intimacy? Then of course a lot of romance shows will avoid any sexual contact in general. It's very strange to me and I think it also leads into the problem of how sexual content is viewed by the majority of viewers because they get tired of these same tropes being used and in turn, they want them gone entirely since they think sexual content leads to these stereotypical situations. The sexual content itself isn't the problem, it's how the writers depict and execute it. It's poor writing, that's all. Say what you want about SAO, but at least it fucking went somewhere with its relationship and Kirito and Asuna actually have a legit relationship. Sure, you can say Asuna is the "perfect waifu and trophy wife" or whatever and the romance is middle school boy's wet dream and so on, but I appreciate that it at least tackled the romance in some form, even if it was very simplistic.

As you've already seen, a lot of people in this thread are already disregarding sexual content because of how some fanservice is used and that gives a bad taste in people's mouths which is unfortunate because fanservice doesn't encompass all of sexual content, it can have diversity. Some people correlate sexual content with fanservice, but that's not what I'm trying to argue here at all. Sexual content doesn't just have to be arousing the viewer. Again, look at White Album 2.
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but i do enjoy (YAOI) let me remind you girls watch anime too and there are lots of yaoi fangirls and not enough yaoi animes to satisfy our needs


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We seem to have a time traveler here from the year 2000.


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1) Rape/Sexual Assault are way too common.


This is my #1 reason for not minding the All Ages releases of VNs, as there have been several instances, in my experience, where the sex scenes completely wrecked the story arc in this way. (I love Seasons of the Sakura, for the most part, but it pulls such a Jekyll-and-Hyde act in almost every route because of this.)
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hpulley wrote:
As a blanket statement let me say I am against all forms of censorship, except the humorous kind where they make fun of censorship by making it so overboard.


Pretty much this for me too. I want to see what the creator(s) vision is unobstructed.




I agree with both of you guys too.
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This is my #1 reason for not minding the All Ages releases of VNs, as there have been several instances, in my experience, where the sex scenes completely wrecked the story arc in this way. (I love Seasons of the Sakura, for the most part, but it pulls such a Jekyll-and-Hyde act in almost every route because of this.)


Which is why All-Age vs adult versions can be piss me off because they can completely black and white. It's either no sexual content at all or overblown sexual content that usually results with, "Senpai! I want your hot stuff!" level of ridiculousness.

Can there really be no grey area?
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Nobody is talking about directly showing the ins and outs (literally) of someone's sex life, what I am talking about is showing the bond that two people share by having them kiss, hug and go to bed with each other, like people tend to do in real life. You don't have to be explicit about it, but you don't have to shy away from it completely either. Moderation is the keyword here.



You quoted me then proceeded to say, the above, "Nobody is talking about..." the continued to say exactly what I was talking about. I wasn't talking about a moderate display of affection — I wasn't even talking about sexuality in terms of preference or whatever. I was talking about plain and simple sex. In my post I said "having it overly sexual wouldn't do it any favors for either mass appeal or simply being comfortable talking about it." and I don't think how I can be more clear about the fact that I wasn't simply talking about " the bond that two people share by having them kiss, hug and go to bed with each other" as you suggested.

And you're right, sex isn't bad or unnatural. However, it's not appropriate in a lot of scenarios. There is a time and place for everything, especially when — as I said before, which you didn't at all address — when you're trying to have a shared experience with your peers/friends.

The reason I — and I'm sure a majority of people — are uncomfortable with watching sexual content with others isn't because we're denying that sex exists, we're not saying sex is bad, it's that sex isn't something I — and again, I'm sure most people feel the same way — want to be shared. I'm having sex, great, I'll keep it to myself; you're having sex? Great, keep it to yourself. It's not saying that it's a negative thing, it's not saying that it's bad. Somethings are simply not meant to be shared or overtly displayed. An example I can give to this, is when in anime someone goes to the bathroom. Great, that's fine. Everyone does it, but do I want to see the details? Absolutely not.

And you said violence isn't something we encounter in our daily lives. You know that's bullshit, right? Everywhere from slang, to television, to ancient texts, to new novels, to several career choices (military, police, security) to SPORTS violence is a thing that's everywhere. Not only that, but people are violent to each other. Bullying, mugging, etc. I don't know if you live in a suburb where everything is perfect, but to me, at least, it's a very real reality, even in the extremes — I live in New Jersey, if you're wondering. Sex, however, isn't displayed or dealt with in that manner. Take the example I gave in the paragraph above as another fitting one here.
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Can there really be no grey area?


There is a gray area, Seinen. The reason not much content is in the gray area its exactly because of that — it's a GRAY area. It's not black and white. It's much easier as a producer or creator to make something black or white, then to fret over where the boundary is drawn; Because in the end of the day the only audience that'll be enjoying the heavier shades of gray is the same audience that CAN watch hentai, not the ones that hentai isn't appropriate to.
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To be frank, the internet is FUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of porn. Free porn. If I want to see breasts and nekkidness, I'll go to the internet's vast databases of porn.

If I'm watching a TV show or something else,I'm trying to be entertained with a story or good characters. I don't NEED sex in my stories. And, quite frankly, it's piss poor quality to see gratuitous sex and sexualization in my shows compared to what I can find elsewhere.

So I'm kinda left feeling apathetically frustrated by not having something to decently arouse me, and at the same time, having sex being sold to me at times where it's not what I'm wanting. Neither is a state I want to be in, and overall, I'm left feeling cheated.

I just wish they'd stop.


I'm with you 100% there.
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rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:

This is my #1 reason for not minding the All Ages releases of VNs, as there have been several instances, in my experience, where the sex scenes completely wrecked the story arc in this way. (I love Seasons of the Sakura, for the most part, but it pulls such a Jekyll-and-Hyde act in almost every route because of this.)


Which is why All-Age vs adult versions can be piss me off because they can completely black and white. It's either no sexual content at all or overblown sexual content that usually results with, "Senpai! I want your hot stuff!" level of ridiculousness.

Can there really be no grey area?


Sometimes, the degree to which this occurs can be hilariously inappropriate.

There was a moe visual novel released in English a while back called "If My Heart Had Wings". The release of it here was all-ages, even though the original was 18+. Which would be fine, except they chose to remove everything sexual (including jokes, sexual dialogue, tongue kissing, etc.) Again, maybe you could make that work. Except....

One of the storylines in it was about a girl the main character was in love with, but whom would rebuff his feelings repeatedly. However, she would still have sex with him. The crux of this story was that he was confused about this girl, who insisted she didn't love him, didn't have feelings for him, didn't want to be his girlfriend, but would willingly have sex with him. Perhaps not a problem most guys have, but still a reasonable story for a visual novel.

When you remove the sex scenes and references to sex, the story suddenly becomes about a guy who's hanging out with a girl he likes, keeps hounding her about how much he loves her and keeps getting turned down, and is constantly wondering why she won't acknowledge her feelings for him. Now, the main character is a creepy stalker dude.

That's the thing. The story still would have been okay for most audiences if they'd been willing to acknowledge that these two had sex, and the main character wouldn't have come off as a total creep. It isn't like it needed full-on penetration to make the scenes work, but pretending they never happened actively hurts the story being told.
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I think this is honestly getting waaaaaaaaaaaay too analytical for something that's really simple.

Some people are for more sex, cause they still want to see fucking, and for some reason, do not turn to porn or their partner like the rest of us, and some people are ok with with sex as long as it's treated like a seasoning or a special "treat", and think the media has saturated itself much like adding 3lbs of salt to a pot of soup, and then there's the third puritanical point of view that wants everything to seem like disney.
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