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animegirl2222 wrote:

Humans aren't objects, that's why I object to it/its, IMHO.
Not everyone agrees with me, I get it, but "it/its" has been used to dehumanize trans people in the past. Also, I don't refer to humans as objects, ever.

Also, someone I hate uses them. Lol.


What about "they"...? Just curious...

Pronouns are interesting to be honest. Depending on my state of mind I use "I" or "We" for myself.

It's.... complicated. (and has nothing to do with gender for me.)
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animegirl2222 wrote:

Humans aren't objects, that's why I object to it/its, IMHO.
Not everyone agrees with me, I get it, but "it/its" has been used to dehumanize trans people in the past. Also, I don't refer to humans as objects, ever.

Also, someone I hate uses them. Lol.


What about "they"...? Just curious...

Pronouns are interesting to be honest. Depending on my state of mind I use "I" or "We" for myself.

It's.... complicated. (and has nothing to do with gender for me.)


Animegirl did propose they as a good alternative in a later post.

I think "they" works fine as a singular gender-neutral pronoun sometimes, but the usage can get confusing because of the singular/plural ambiguity at other times.

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A supporter here and also part of the LGBT+ community. I identify as Bi.
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lorreen wrote:


serifsansserif wrote:


animegirl2222 wrote:

Humans aren't objects, that's why I object to it/its, IMHO.
Not everyone agrees with me, I get it, but "it/its" has been used to dehumanize trans people in the past. Also, I don't refer to humans as objects, ever.

Also, someone I hate uses them. Lol.


What about "they"...? Just curious...

Pronouns are interesting to be honest. Depending on my state of mind I use "I" or "We" for myself.

It's.... complicated. (and has nothing to do with gender for me.)


Animegirl did propose they as a good alternative in a later post.

I think "they" works fine as a singular gender-neutral pronoun sometimes, but the usage can get confusing because of the singular/plural ambiguity at other times.



Context usually makes that apparent more readily. telling a narrative with a transition from he to she midway, but referring to the same person, and their interactions with a third party can be linguistically tricky, and then, perhaps people can be excused for the she/he ordeal. (please don't ask for an example if this is confusing. When put on the spot we all perform badly, and, quite frankly it's already probably a confusing explanation.
Posted 4/25/15

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This thread makes me happy. I'm not trans at all, but just reading some of the comments here makes me feel like I should be more self-confident.

Out of plain ignorance, how many genders are there? Is it just [Male/Female/Neither/Both] or are there more?


I'd take the other reply with a grain of salt, because due to the listing a lot of the things are actually the same thing just a different word for it. It makes it seems like there's more than there really is. That and Intersex people are not transgender people unless they individually claim themselves to be. Including all Intersex people as trans is being rather rude to some who identify as something else. That and there is quite a bit of controversy about the use of 'genderqueer' due to it containing a slur.

Anyway, there's pretty much a kind of "four" categories type thing that everything would fall under.
Transgender is the main thing, then it would go into,
FTM, MTF, Agender, Nonbinary. So you're kind of right. If you look at the list and actually look at the genders listed, a lot of them fall into the four categories. Also, Agender and nonbinary may seem similar, but nonbinary can include people who are bigender, for example.

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Not trans, but non-binary.

Though I tend to lean more towards female. Simply because I'm too lazy to constantly pull off androgyny.
I pretty much just look like a 12 year old, male or female, at all times.
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Pika2346 wrote:

This thread makes me happy. I'm not trans at all, but just reading some of the comments here makes me feel like I should be more self-confident.

Out of plain ignorance, how many genders are there? Is it just [Male/Female/Neither/Both] or are there more?


I'd take the other reply with a grain of salt, because due to the listing a lot of the things are actually the same thing just a different word for it. It makes it seems like there's more than there really is. That and Intersex people are not transgender people unless they individually claim themselves to be. Including all Intersex people as trans is being rather rude to some who identify as something else. That and there is quite a bit of controversy about the use of 'genderqueer' due to it containing a slur.

Anyway, there's pretty much a kind of "four" categories type thing that everything would fall under.
Transgender is the main thing, then it would go into,
FTM, MTF, Agender, Nonbinary. So you're kind of right. If you look at the list and actually look at the genders listed, a lot of them fall into the four categories. Also, Agender and nonbinary may seem similar, but nonbinary can include people who are bigender, for example.



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If there are repeating genders in the list I am sorry, I did try to remove more of the repeating ones.
Trust me there were a lot more.
The list was to show an example of the different types of genders.
On top I did provide a link to the GenderWiki which would have more organized and descriptive information about the genders.
Many intersex people include themselves as trans, though if you are intersex and find it offensive I do apologize.
As for the "four" categories that is the first time I've heard of that.
Looking and interacting in the trans communities there has never been talk of categories of transgenderness.
(Excluding truscum but most people try to ignore them.)
Like I said before there are A LOT of genders, some even deriving from already existing genders.
Some coming out into life from looking at ancient civilizations.
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I'm not intersex, I'm just going by what I've seen people who are intersex say. Some of them would identify as trans, others don't. Just out of fairness to those who don't it might be best to avoid including them entirely.
It's not something really 'discussed' It's something I use based on what is used in psychological communities. Atleast where I'm from. I'm a psych student and that's how it was explained for me. The four categories would just make it easier to make sense of the long list of genders. Did for me. A lot of things would fall under those blanket terms, after all. Take the Cisgender for example, they listed cis, cis male, cis female and so on, but they'd all just go under the category of cisgender. It just makes it easier to remember? And it's easier to associate with. I should have specified that. I used it to better understand it, thought it might help others.
There has been talk before. It's why terms like FTM and MTF exist. They're the same just a different 'category' for the same thing. (Transgenderism.)
Truscum/transmedicalists have nothing to do with categories. They believe that being trans is associated with having dysphoria and they're correct. Also, considering they hold the viewpoint of the current medical/diagnosis profession, clearly people don't try to ignore them.
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Ah ok, I will politely exist the conversation at this point with you agreeing with "truscum" view points.
Mostly due to being harassed to the point of suicide by people labeling themselves as truscum.

I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day.
And some day stray away from the trans gate keeping views of truscum.
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I do not think that being 'truscum' or being transmedicalist, as i prefer to call it, because truscum is a term that was coined by SJW adversaries, is gatekeeping. Truscum aren't "exclusionary", they just don't think that people who are not dysphoric qualify as trans or are under the LGBT+ umbrella. Because they aren't.

Kids don't just "try on genders" for fun, they do it to specialize themselves. And the dysphoria trans people go through is very real. I don't have gender dyshphoria, but I have a warped view of my body in the form of bodily dysphoria, and it's AWFUL. Being trans isn't a CHOICE, not to say it's always agonizing to be dyshporic, but most people who have dysphoria didn't ask for it and would rather not have it. So when you 'try on genders', that's a bit of a mockery of the struggle that dysphoric trans people go through, do you catch my drift?
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People will always thrive on bringing down others. I do my best to not let what any of those people say. Yes, some remarks will bother me but i remind myself the im out to make myself happy. I will continue to live as who i am and who im meant to be and not based off of a diagnosis, religion, or any other thing that others put in my way. We all have different views and say things that others currently or never will agree with and may also hurt others. The fact is though that we are all human, I am Trans and I am human. No one can change that. I do as well hope that someday people will accept the trans community and no longer give us excuses or reason for being who we are and to also accept all others that do not put them selves as simply male or female as human. We should be recognized for who are not what we are. My gender effects no one but myself.
Posted 4/26/15

animegirl2222 wrote:

I do not think that being 'truscum' or being transmedicalist, as i prefer to call it, because truscum is a term that was coined by SJW adversaries, is gatekeeping. Truscum aren't "exclusionary", they just don't think that people who are not dysphoric qualify as trans or are under the LGBT+ umbrella. Because they aren't.

Kids don't just "try on genders" for fun, they do it to specialize themselves. And the dysphoria trans people go through is very real. I don't have gender dyshphoria, but I have a warped view of my body in the form of bodily dysphoria, and it's AWFUL. Being trans isn't a CHOICE, not to say it's always agonizing to be dyshporic, but most people who have dysphoria didn't ask for it and would rather not have it. So when you 'try on genders', that's a bit of a mockery of the struggle that dysphoric trans people go through, do you catch my drift?


Truscum is a disgusting term anyway. It was given to trans people who talked about what made them different than cisgender people and they got called scum for it. The only "gatekeeping" the current definition of transgender does is keep cisgender people out. As it should, since they're not trans.
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