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The UK feels like America's 51st state at this point... So Britain's real election is year and a half away.
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Look Ma, Those Europee'in UK Folks iz Voting. They gave all the Power to the EU Bureaucrats, ain't they the cutest thing.


Tell yer Ma that Ernie Chambers ain't such a bad guy, don't look at the color of his skin, just look at the things he keeps sayin' and doin'.

He says the chillun don't need extra long bus-rides to get mixed up in school to avoid racism, because the whole town is segregated.

He also says we don't need guns in liquor stores or bars because ISIS don't go to liquor stores or bars, cops do.

And he also sued God on behalf of the grounds that God caused everything, on account of people suing people that had no way of defending themselves.

Truly, he is the country-man's savior


I apologize, this is off topic, I'm just so Gaul Dernned fired up over misuse of local vernacular.
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It seems a lot more organized and less two-sided stupidity than here in the U.S. I'm not affiliated with any party personally. I'm just going to vote who appeals to me. Or maybe not vote at all, who knows. I don't really like or care for politics, but I guess I should care about my country.
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Posted 4/23/15 , edited 4/23/15

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nanikore2 wrote:


dsjb wrote:


The Conservative Party- A centre Right party economically comparable to the American democrats, the major party in the current coalition government. Generally in favour of Lower taxation, smaller government expenditure and more integration of private businesses to provide public services. They support some forms of welfare namely the NHS (national health service) and a basic social safety net for those out of work focussed on incentivising a return to work. They used to considerably more socially conservative however they recently have opened up on some social issues such as legalising gay marriage. One of the two major parties that have dominated the last few decades. There is a perception they have moved to the left in comparison to their past governments possibly as a consequence of being tied to the Liberal democrats in coalition. In favour of limited Immigration.



...But aren't the Democrats I mean Demopublicans (or Republicrats) in favor of more taxation and higher government spending?

Is there a I H8 Poly-Ticks party? or maybe I Hate Politicians And All Of Their Doubletalk, Party?


The US Democrats with any political power and/or name recognition are closer to a mix of his descriptions of the Labour Party and the Green Party. The US Republicans with political power and/or name recognition are currently split. You have the establishment Republicans, who are not like any of the UK party descriptions given. And you have the non-establishment Republicans, who are more like the description given for the UK Conservative Party. As far as the citizens go, I don't know that anyone truly has a beat on where the majority lies in either party. However, they are all over the board, both with the Republicans and the Democrats. Many just vote with the party they associate with regardless if the candidate's message is one they agree with or not.


Yeah basically I was trying to highlight that our conservative party is fiscally way to the left of the republicans there's plenty of UK conservative fiscal policies that just wouldn't fly in the republican party and look allot more like what happens when democrats propose things and then have to make compromises to get them through, but your right If democrats could actually get their act together I think they would be aiming for something akin to Labour position. I was trying to describe where they are in practicality rather than principal.


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The UK feels like America's 51st state at this point... So Britain's real election is year and a half away.


Yeah your basically in charge of our foreign policy XD, I sometimes wonder what randomly sticking the UK in as a state would do to US politics.


BlueOni wrote:

For the benefit of all, I offer this additional aid for determining one's relative agreement with party stances on a range of current issues:

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

If you can't be bothered with the quiz, Wiki's got your back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_Kingdom

I strongly recommend reading all stances and answering all questions for the best results. As for myself, I have the most in common with the SNP, and the least in common with UKIP and the Tories. I see the Lib Dems as that party that no one really seems to like all that much, but just doesn't ever seem to go away.


I'm a big fan of the political compass (beware its going to take you 10-15 mins) https://www.politicalcompass.org/test. Although it I think it puts too much weight on some issues.
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I'm a fan of David Cameron. He seems like a smart leader that you guys currently have in office. Is he able to be re-elected again or no?
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I'm a fan of David Cameron. He seems like a smart leader that you guys currently have in office. Is he able to be re-elected again or no?


He is, we do not have term limits but most prime ministers only last 3 terms or so before they pass control to another member of their party even if that party continues to win elections. PMs may also be unseated at anytime by their own party through a vote of no confidence.
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I'll be voting labour. Cameron has screwed my generation over and I like the NHS and lower uni fees.
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Well, I've relatives and friends in the UK. My relatives are all saying something needs to be done about the severe Islamification and the massive problems with Immigration, especially concerning Poles and Muslims and people who cannot speak/pick up English well. My friends are getting sick of the Immigrants to the UK who cannot seem to assimilate (from what they have said countless times) and refuse to learn English.

They both hate this party called UKIP saying they're extremely racist, but they also hate this Labour party or something, saying it is too one-sided and doing everything wrong, especially concerning Immigration. They have mixed feelings about the other parties.

I can't really state my opinion as I don't know enough to have a basis to form one, but I'm just saying what they're saying. Anyone else agree with these views or not?

EDIT: If I had to say what I would be interested in...I would have to go for much less immigration (at the moment) since the UK is such a small country, and make sure that the people immigrating do not have criminal pasts, know English fluently, and make an effort to assimilate more. I too am against the Islamification of any place outside of a Muslim country...especially for Europe which seems to have a lot of problems in this area. I don't really care about the color or race of the person immigrating just as long as they contribute to society positively. I am not too keen on Muslim immigration though, in all honesty.

I don't know what party I'd be a part of. Definitely not something too left wing, and definitely not something too right wing. I'd probably lean a bit more conservative though, overall.



Lol, the main problem people have with immigration is the fact that people from other countries are willing to come to England and work harder than English people, raising the standards. We, Britons, need to start working harder instead of being so lazy all the time and could perhaps learn a lesson from these immigrant hard work ethic. Also, the Labour party established the National Health Service, which is one of the best things that ever happened to our country. The conservative party privatised gas and electricity, relinquishing their ownership to businesses who are free to monopolise the market and set the prices as high as they'd like. And on a more personal note, I'm tolerant of people, no matter what their religious beliefs. Christians, Jews and Muslims all help the community in a positive way just like anyone else, I just can't bring myself to hate a group of people just because of the deluded individuals I see on TV. Being a humanist, I've witnessed many people follow ethical theories incorrectly, but that doesn't mean that ethical theory is incorrect or that all of it's followers are just like those individuals who fail to follow it properly. I'm not quick to hate, I always carry out intense research before I am 100% sure that I can conclude a group is worth 'hating'
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galaxiias wrote:

It seems a lot more organized and less two-sided stupidity than here in the U.S. I'm not affiliated with any party personally. I'm just going to vote who appeals to me. Or maybe not vote at all, who knows. I don't really like or care for politics, but I guess I should care about my country.



Actually, the UK is really bound by two parties due to the First Past the Post system, the last time we had a government that was neither the Conservatives or Labour was in 1906. The main difference between the USA and the UK (at the moment) when it comes to parties is that other parties have a chance of getting elected members into parliaments and even then they are underrepresented in government in relation to the votes they get. For example the Liberal Democrats the third largest party in the UK in the last election in 2010 received 23% of the vote but received 8% of the seats in parliament and in addition, they got an increased number of the vote but came out with a net loss of seats.
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galaxiias wrote:

It seems a lot more organized and less two-sided stupidity than here in the U.S. I'm not affiliated with any party personally. I'm just going to vote who appeals to me. Or maybe not vote at all, who knows. I don't really like or care for politics, but I guess I should care about my country.



Actually, the UK is really bound by two parties due to the First Past the Post system, the last time we had a government that was neither the Conservatives or Labour was in 1906. The main difference between the USA and the UK (at the moment) when it comes to parties is that other parties have a chance of getting elected members into parliaments and even then they are underrepresented in government in relation to the votes they get. For example the Liberal Democrats the third largest party in the UK in the last election in 2010 received 23% of the vote but received 8% of the seats in parliament and in addition, they got an increased number of the vote but came out with a net loss of seats.


Yes there's the big two parties and the third that's always hanging at their heels.

The way I see it I have some choices.

Tactical voting, voting on a party I don't like (one of the 2) just so the party I detest doesn't get stronger.

Focusing on local issues and local representatives to have a change even if it is a slight change at local government level.

Apathy, abstain from voting

Voting solely on policies I like even if these are policies from the minority or fringe parties with the full knowledge that they won't be winning the general election.
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Abstaining from voting kind of makes things a whole lot worse. Because, in my opinion, by not voting you're throwing away your chance to have a say in what the next government should be.

I voted Conservative in the last election and i'm not about to change now. I won't vote Labour out of principle, plus I've seen and experienced what they did to this country. The last Labour government caused the recession which screwed up the livelihoods of those just leaving school/college/uni et al. Because of the recession, companies started cutting down, so rather than taking on new employees, companies either shrunk or went bankrupt due to not being able to keep their businesses afloat as the public stopped spending. All the while, prices on food and such stayed the same or went up.

Whilst I will admit that the current Conservative/Lib Dem coalition hasn't done everything it's hoped to, I put that down to having to make compromises with the Lib Dems so that legislation can actually get put through parliament instead of it being shut down by the Labour MPs and the few Lib Dem MPs opposed to specific legislation.

Now here's where my personal views on the economy come in. For one, I would slash the international aid budget because there's not much point in giving aid to countries when we have serious issues at home. Secondly, I would hen slash the VAT to possibly around 15% this has the effect of lowering prices on everything therefore encouraging more public spending thus boosting the economy. I

t's fairly simple what a bit of thought and common sense can do to change a failing economy.
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Abstaining from voting kind of makes things a whole lot worse. Because, in my opinion, by not voting you're throwing away your chance to have a say in what the next government should be.

I voted Conservative in the last election and i'm not about to change now. I won't vote Labour out of principle, plus I've seen and experienced what they did to this country. The last Labour government caused the recession which screwed up the livelihoods of those just leaving school/college/uni et al. Because of the recession, companies started cutting down, so rather than taking on new employees, companies either shrunk or went bankrupt due to not being able to keep their businesses afloat as the public stopped spending. All the while, prices on food and such stayed the same or went up.

Whilst I will admit that the current Conservative/Lib Dem coalition hasn't done everything it's hoped to, I put that down to having to make compromises with the Lib Dems so that legislation can actually get put through parliament instead of it being shut down by the Labour MPs and the few Lib Dem MPs opposed to specific legislation.

Now here's where my personal views on the economy come in. For one, I would slash the international aid budget because there's not much point in giving aid to countries when we have serious issues at home. Secondly, I would hen slash the VAT to possibly around 15% this has the effect of lowering prices on everything therefore encouraging more public spending thus boosting the economy. I

t's fairly simple what a bit of thought and common sense can do to change a failing economy.


Well I didn't say I was going to do that, even though I have done that once.

I'm not for any of the parties but I do like some policies that I think sound interesting. I've noticed that all the parties aren't too clear on how they're going to handle economics.

As for that foreign aid thing, that's business not charity. It's given under conditionings that the receivers must use certain companies (they'll be British or British linked). It's a method of getting a new market for British products/services or way of life.

I'll wait for my ballet paper before I make any decision.

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I'm a big fan of the political compass (beware its going to take you 10-15 mins) https://www.politicalcompass.org/test. Although it I think it puts too much weight on some issues.


I've taken that one many times, and tend to end up at around (-6, -4). By that compass I'm closer to the Greens than the SNP, though the compass provided along with the "I Side With" quiz places several parties in the lower left quadrant which the Political Compass places in the upper left or upper right.

I suppose the point is that, like I said, reading the issues in "I Side With" is the really important part. The results of either quiz should be taken with a grain of salt. Although my quiz results in either case indicate that I'm either a Green or a supporter of SNP the reality is that (for the purposes of Westminster, at least) it's a choice between the Tories or Labour, with either the SNP or the Greens being an "and friends" attached (probably to Labour).
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BlueOni wrote:


dsjb wrote:

I'm a big fan of the political compass (beware its going to take you 10-15 mins) https://www.politicalcompass.org/test. Although it I think it puts too much weight on some issues.


I've taken that one many times, and tend to end up at around (-6, -4). By that compass I'm closer to the Greens than the SNP, though the compass provided along with the "I Side With" quiz places several parties in the lower left quadrant which the Political Compass places in the upper left or upper right.

I suppose the point is that, like I said, reading the issues in "I Side With" is the really important part. The results of either quiz should be taken with a grain of salt. Although my quiz results in either case indicate that I'm either a Green or a supporter of SNP the reality is that (for the purposes of Westminster, at least) it's a choice between the Tories or Labour, with either the SNP or the Greens being an "and friends" attached (probably to Labour).


Yeah it seems to be a where to put the centre issue, I guess its because there isn't really anyone advocating full blown communism any-more while if you look at the older stuff on the political compass there's allot more left of the middle and south of the equator, I guess the're basing the centre on a all of political history perspective. I usually end up about -(3, -5). The Greens probably will be getting my vote but that simply because I'm in a safe seat for labour, I'm not above voting tactically when I need to. I would like to see a labour/libdem coalition, over labour snp. I must say I have been impressed by Cameron's handling of the right of his party Its nice to see the centre bringing the wing to heel rather than the other way round. I'll give him credit for the inheritance tax changes the conservatives have suggested they boundaries oh what can be passed on tax free have been due for a update for a long while, It was never intended to hit all home owners but those with large estates.
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The UK is having an election?Are they going to follow the White Rabbit down the rabbit hole again?
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