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I recently felt the need to change a line of the "About Me" section on my profile due to watching a bit of the first episode of Ninja Slayer... It was really crappy. (the line had been that I was a Studio TRIGGER fan, which now specifies "only when they make stuff like Kill la Kill, When Supernatural Battles Become..." and not when they put out crap like "Inferno Cop, and Ninja Slayer")

What's with this huge difference in their works, I loved Kill la Kill, Little Witch Academia, and When Supernatural Battles Become Commonplace, but have you seen the crap in some of the other stuff they've done like Inferno Cop and Ninja Slayer.

What I'm trying to say is, what do you think about this huge disparity in quality? Why do you think they do it (Budget reasons, limits of original source, etc...)
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StylisticSuck

Also see: Inferno Cop

The real problem with Ninja Slayer isn't its low-budget animation. Rather, the fact is that it wasn't at all advertised to be the Inferno Cop-style show it actually is.
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You are confusing quality with style. With Ninja Slayer your first hint is the 4:3 throwback aspect ratio. While the show is not for me it is however of top notch quality for its artistic intent. There is a large fan base for Inferno Cop and this show is for them. After they are done with this they will finish up Little Witch Academia 2 and you'll have mainy more things to praise Trigger about. Also, a couple shows you don't like should not deter you from liking a studio's work.
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I dunno, that trope Blazing cited seems like an artist who produced something crappy calling it "Abstract" art...
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Ninja Slayer is saving anime.
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Hehaho1830 wrote:

I dunno, that trope Blazing cited seems like an artist who produced something crappy calling it "Abstract" art...


Not everybody can take the same kind of enjoyment out of the same kind of work. Some people are drawn to seemingly low-quality, minimalist shows like Inferno Cop because they think it's funny. You are clearly not one of those people, and, frankly, I'm not either. The point that I'm trying to make here is that Ninja Slayer isn't just some half-finished mistake that Trigger shat out accidentally. They made it to appeal to a certain niche of their fandom, one that just doesn't happen to include your or I. Saying you suddenly lost faith in the studio just because they made something that isn't for you is childish.
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Ninja Slayer is saving anime.


studio trigger always saves anime
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BigChocolate wrote:
Ninja Slayer is saving anime.

Ninja Slayer is the bane of anime's existence!

the true savior is High School DXD!
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I'm just surprised that you're apparently struggling to understand the concept that Studio Trigger made them that way on purpose.

Like it probably does have to do with limited budget - Kill la Kill's animation budget is tiny and you can see them cut corners everywhere, but they do it in a fun/funny way so people don't notice or mind. But anime that are actually badly made look NOTHING like Inferno Cop or Ninja Slayer, they just look like anime with tons of off-model animation.

I haven't watched either of those shows so I can't give my opinion on their quality, but it shouldn't be so difficult for you to just accept that what those shows are doing is just not your thing. "Comedy" isn't just "a show that has jokes", there are plenty of other less conventional ways to try and be funny. Satire and absurdity are other ways. Maybe these shows don't accomplish it very well, but it seems as though you're bewildered by the very existence of those things?
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aidenraine wrote:


BigChocolate wrote:
Ninja Slayer is saving anime.

Ninja Slayer is the bane of anime's existence!

the true savior is High School DXD!

This too.
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BlazingRagnarok wrote:


Hehaho1830 wrote:

I dunno, that trope Blazing cited seems like an artist who produced something crappy calling it "Abstract" art...


Not everybody can take the same kind of enjoyment out of the same kind of work. Some people are drawn to seemingly low-quality, minimalist shows like Inferno Cop because they think it's funny. You are clearly not one of those people, and, frankly, I'm not either. The point that I'm trying to make here is that Ninja Slayer isn't just some half-finished mistake that Trigger shat out accidentally. They made it to appeal to a certain niche of their fandom, one that just doesn't happen to include your or I. Saying you suddenly lost faith in the studio just because they made something that isn't for you is childish.


I never said I lost faith in them... also, there's a big difference between minimalist and low quality


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I'm just surprised that you're apparently struggling to understand the concept that Studio Trigger made them that way on purpose.

Like it probably does have to do with limited budget - Kill la Kill's animation budget is tiny and you can see them cut corners everywhere, but they do it in a fun/funny way so people don't notice or mind. But anime that are actually badly made look NOTHING like Inferno Cop or Ninja Slayer, they just look like anime with tons of off-model animation.

I haven't watched either of those shows so I can't give my opinion on their quality, but it shouldn't be so difficult for you to just accept that what those shows are doing is just not your thing. "Comedy" isn't just "a show that has jokes", there are plenty of other less conventional ways to try and be funny. Satire and absurdity are other ways. Maybe these shows don't accomplish it very well, but it seems as though you're bewildered by the very existence of those things?


I understand the concept of playing bad animation for laughs, but this just didn't come across that way to me (Which is probably a bad sign). Most of the time when something is so bad it's funny, it should be assumed it's unintentional. It's like doing potty humor, or the kicking the dog trope, if you're doing it that way, normally it means you don't have the skill to elicit emotions or laughs in a better way, you shouldn't base a whole show around it.

Basically, I want them to leave that sort of thing to american cartoons, it's one of the reasons I watch anime in the first place. I guess as long as they put out two Kill la Kills for every Inferno cop, I'll be fine.
Posted 4/25/15
I going to Finnish watching it first before saying is shit. Thou I think the story get better by the episode, so we see if get truly better.
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First it should be mentioned that Ninja Slayer is an ONA. Original Net Anime. It's intended for internet distribution, not television. You can use this type of thing for shows that might be riskier, lower budget, or more "creative." Ninja Slayer is not really at this stage a major production. It's also clearly not designed for widespread appeal. It's very niche.

I'm pretty sure the only reason companies like Funimation or Crunchyroll licensed this at all is because they are banking on the fact that, like the OP, studio-fanboys and studio-fangirls will at least try any damn thing a studio puts out.

As for me. I'm not a studio fanboy, but I am a Hiroyuki Imaishi fanboy. He is the mastermind behind Dead Leaves, Gurren Lagann, Panty & Stocking and Kill la Kill. If Ninja Slayer had been directed by him, I admit, I would be a little disappointed. But it's not.


What people have to realise, about all but very small studios, is that different productions come from different Directors and sometimes different teams entirely. Character designers, storyboard, writers, animators. You change these people and you might not be happy with the result. The Director has a major influence in the overall shape of what it is exactly you're getting. While often not involved in minute details, their overall vision is key to the question: What is this show going to be?

Even a studio like Kyo-Ani who are known for certain types of projects, if the director is a newcomer or the team is different, you might not be happy with the result. Not every show they make will look like K-on. Not every show they make will progress like Chuunibyou.

And that's Kyo-Ani, an established studio who get known for certain shows and then become much more risk averse.

The thing with Trigger is that, unlike more established studios, the management is not afraid of taking on different types of projects. So you've had Inou Battle, Kill la Kill, Little Witch, Ninja Slayer, which are all very different and come from different directors. Ninja Slayer and Inferno Cop? Anime is a creative medium in addition to being a business. They are ONAs for good reason.They're risky shows for a niche audience.

Not everything needs to be a major, mainstream production. If it's not for you, it's not for you.

LMAO. Stop complaining. Trigger is just an animation studio. Let them make whatever they like. I hope this can be a learning experience for the OP and they grow a little bit as an anime fan. Start taking an interest in the actual people behind the shows you enjoy. MAL is a good place to start.
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Studio Trigger is obviously saving their budget and professional writers for a series that deserves it more than Ninja Inferno Slayer Cop.


aidenraine wrote:


BigChocolate wrote:
Ninja Slayer is saving anime.

Ninja Slayer is the bane of anime's existence!

the true savior is High School DXD!


Boku no Pico is the savior of anime.
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Sounds like Studio Trigger has become the victim of their own success. I enjoyed "Kill la Kill" a lot. Last year, Anamazement, a convention in Raleigh, North Carolina invited Studio Trigger and even had a "Kill la Kill" panel. I might watch NISC just out of curiosity.
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