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Posted 4/28/15 , edited 4/28/15

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Be ashamed--ASHAMED--of being a To Love Ru fan if you have never seen a frame of Urusei Yatsura. (The show that so founded the 90's birth of anime in the US, our proto-fandom of it was even culturally parodied in one anime. )

The fandom in the 90s was a result of DBZ, Sailor Moon, and Gundam tho.
And owes a lot to several decades of work of US anime fans.


Further back, friend--I was one of those fans, in the college-club back rooms that you owe those "several decades" to.
Back when Sailor Moon was just an anomaly on a few syndicated stations, anime fandom in the US first became national when AnimEigo started the UY VHS of the Month Club. By mail.
Up to that point, you were lucky if Bubblegum Crisis or You're Under Arrest got a commercial sub.

(The parody, btw, was in Otaku no Video, where the mock "interviews" talk with one US anime fan living and working in Tokyo, and comically mistranslated to look like all underground US anime fans were obsessed Lum stalkers.
We laughed, because at the time....it was SO TRUE. )


I am a bit familiar with the scene, though I wasn't in college at the time.

Its a bit hard to define what the original national movement was: college clubs in contact with each other? Early internet groups? Established clubs like from the SciFi / fantasy scene incorporating anime and sharing it amongst that national scene? Depending on criteria it coukd be any number of actors working together or independently, especially when many things went undocumented or have been lost.

But the mainstream cultural anime boom does pretty much come back to those previously mentioned properties.
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Ejanss wrote:

Be ashamed--ASHAMED--of being a To Love Ru fan if you have never seen a frame of Urusei Yatsura. (The show that so founded the 90's birth of anime in the US, our proto-fandom of it was even culturally parodied in one anime. )

TLR was quickly made to cash in the 20th-anniversary nostalgia for UY, but was so insultingly dumbed-down a version of "what grownup fans remembered as kids" from the series, it's downright cheap:
In UY, for example, Lum is an alien oni-girl with cute tiger skins and horns; in TLR, Lala comes from the "Devil planet", and has a forked tail...Yeah, that's original.

But UY took the "Horny teen and alien 'fiance'", and just turned it into free-form jazz:
Imagine TLR crossed with the screwball every-direction geek-refs of Sgt. Frog, given the crazy Rumiko Takahashi ensemble cast of Ranma 1/2, and delivered with the silly all-out abandon of the first Project A-Ko movie.
(Not to mention, UY's "horny teen" Ataru Moroboshi wasn't a geeky harem-nosebleeder, but was.....sort of the founding patron-saint champion of all Horny Anime Teens. He had style, where the hero of "Heaven's Lost Property", for example, did not.)

Being a TLR fan is a sad lesson in what can happen to anime fans if they don't study the classics.


Why should he be ashamed of liking a show over a show he's never seen? Because you believe it's better? Because they have similar premises and one came out before the other? I mean really. Everyone doesn't have the same tastes, you know? He has as much reason to be ashamed for liking To Love Ru as you do for liking Urusei Yatsura.
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Ejanss wrote:

Be ashamed--ASHAMED--of being a To Love Ru fan if you have never seen a frame of Urusei Yatsura. (The show that so founded the 90's birth of anime in the US, our proto-fandom of it was even culturally parodied in one anime. )

TLR was quickly made to cash in the 20th-anniversary nostalgia for UY, but was so insultingly dumbed-down a version of "what grownup fans remembered as kids" from the series, it's downright cheap:

Why should he be ashamed of liking a show over a show he's never seen? Because you believe it's better? Because they have similar premises and one came out before the other? I mean really. Everyone doesn't have the same tastes, you know? He has as much reason to be ashamed for liking To Love Ru as you do for liking Urusei Yatsura.


There's "Similar premise", and then there's "Baldfaced, unimaginative, outright theft, preying upon the innocent too young to know the filed-off serial-numbers ever existed in the first place, and being stupid enough to reduce everything to words of one syllable."
(Remember, part of being an anime fan is knowing that Disney's Lion King wasn't really Hamlet.)

I mean, at least Sgt. Frog sort of pays tribute to UY by homaging Takahashi's style and series gags, but they didn't claim they made it up themselves.
Or say "There's a girl with a bikini in it, it must be harem-ecchi!"
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Ejanss wrote:

Be ashamed--ASHAMED--of being a To Love Ru fan if you have never seen a frame of Urusei Yatsura. (The show that so founded the 90's birth of anime in the US, our proto-fandom of it was even culturally parodied in one anime. )

TLR was quickly made to cash in the 20th-anniversary nostalgia for UY, but was so insultingly dumbed-down a version of "what grownup fans remembered as kids" from the series, it's downright cheap:

Why should he be ashamed of liking a show over a show he's never seen? Because you believe it's better? Because they have similar premises and one came out before the other? I mean really. Everyone doesn't have the same tastes, you know? He has as much reason to be ashamed for liking To Love Ru as you do for liking Urusei Yatsura.


There's "Similar premise", and then there's "Baldfaced, unimaginative, outright theft, preying upon the innocent too young to know the filed-off serial-numbers ever existed in the first place, and being stupid enough to reduce everything to words of one syllable."
(Remember, part of being an anime fan is knowing that Disney's Lion King wasn't really Hamlet.)

I mean, at least Sgt. Frog sort of pays tribute to UY by homaging Takahashi's style and series gags, but they didn't claim they made it up themselves.
Or say "There's a girl with a bikini in it, it must be harem-ecchi!"


"Boldfaced, unimaginative, outright theft of another's work is plagiarism. If what you said is true, how come Rumiko Takahashi hasn't sued Saki Hasemi because of it? I find it hard to believe that she would let someone steal her work without at least getting compensated for it in some way, if not wanting to outright cancel the series. And there's no way she doesn't know about it, seeing as how the series is pretty popular.
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There's "Similar premise", and then there's "Baldfaced, unimaginative, outright theft, preying upon the innocent too young to know the filed-off serial-numbers ever existed in the first place, and being stupid enough to reduce everything to words of one syllable."
(Remember, part of being an anime fan is knowing that Disney's Lion King wasn't really Hamlet.)

I mean, at least Sgt. Frog sort of pays tribute to UY by homaging Takahashi's style and series gags, but they didn't claim they made it up themselves.

Or say "There's a girl with a bikini in it, it must be harem-ecchi!"

My friend, we've established that you're a fan of Urusei Yatsura. I appreciate the recommendation. If ever I feel like watching some anime from the '80s, I might consider. ^^

That being said, I humbly encourage you to cool your fanboyism. No one is interested in reading why you think X anime shares similar themes with Y anime. It's unfortunate to read that To Love Ru, as a series, frustrates you, but no one really cares. All we're trying to do here is share our experiences regarding ecchi anime we found (surprisingly?) enjoyable.

Ultimately, it's your observations against everyone else's and everyone else just doesn't give a shit.
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My friend, we've established that you're a fan of Urusei Yatsura.


From another fan in the same age group as the above: Be advised that, like Ranma 1 / 2 and Inuyasha, it goes nowhere for hundreds of episodes, though it does have the merit of being funny.
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Lum Urusei Yatsura is a classic, that's no lie. From what I've seen of To Love Ru (the first couple of episodes) it seems fun enough for me to enjoy. I really don't see why there needs to be a conflict. Enjoy both. As His Holiness Kami-sama often says:

Watch more anime.


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From another fan in the same age group as the above: Be advised that, like Ranma 1 / 2 and Inuyasha, it goes nowhere for hundreds of episodes, though it does have the merit of being funny.


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Not gonna lie. If it's an ecchi harem rom/com type show, I'm all over it.

I am currently enjoying To Love-Ru now. Almost finished with Motto so I can move onto Darkness.

I actually really liked Heaven's Lost Property. I just wish the story itself was "complete." Too many gaps between the series, the movies and the manga.

As much as I love High School DxD, I am actually a bigger fan of The Testament of a Sister New Devil. I can't wait for the next season later this year.

I am always looking for more shows like this. I like ecchi and I love to laugh my ass off. To love Ru has done that in spades. My only gripe with it is some of the filler episodes weren't very strong.
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I personally despised ToLoveRu. However I completely adored ToLoveRu Darkness.
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I've never understood why people like Rumiko Takahashi so much. I watched like 10 episodes of Maison Ikkoku and it was enough to make me realize that when people credit her for establishing tons of anime tropes, they're right, but she established mostly shitty ones.
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TBH I love watching the ecchi anime. Most of the time, I watch the slightly older ones but I LOOOOVE WATCHING PERVERTED ANIMES!! I LIKE SEEING THE BOOBIES AND THE BOOTIES!!! it is good yes
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I personally despised ToLoveRu. However I completely adored ToLoveRu Darkness.

How so?
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I liked High School of the Dead because of its general fast pace and super hilariously sexualized action scenes.



I liked Saekano: How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend even though its about as generic of a harem anime as you can possibly get (although it is self aware in being so and makes fun of itself which is pretty hilarious).


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xxJing wrote:

I personally despised ToLoveRu. However I completely adored ToLoveRu Darkness.

How so?


Well ToLoveRu was trying to be a modern-day Urusei Yatsura, which it kind of failed at, it was boring. ToLoveRu Darkness is simply trying to be as perverted as it can. It tries to give you newer and more potent fan-service shots with every chapter. It has found its own identity :).

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EJHicks"Boldfaced, unimaginative, outright theft of another's work is plagiarism. If what you said is true, how come Rumiko Takahashi hasn't sued Saki Hasemi because of it? I find it hard to believe that she would let someone steal her work without at least getting compensated for it in some way, if not wanting to outright cancel the series. And there's no way she doesn't know about it, seeing as how the series is pretty popular.


(Although given Rumiko's ego, that's rather like asking why JK Rowling hasn't sued the Percy Jackson series--Just because they might consider the most hardworking imitation to be a "compliment" doesn't make it a standalone work of quality.
Or, more to TLR's point, why Rowling hasn't sued Negima--It would just bring the level of conversation down. )
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