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Posted 4/28/15
Australian drug smugglers Andrew Chan & Myuran Sukumaran were executed in Indonesia at 3:30 am (AEST) this morning (29 April), despite countless appeals & pleas for clemency. The two were the 'ringleaders' of the 'Bali Nine', caught attempting to smuggle heroin to Australia from Denpasar airport in Bali, Indonesia in April 2005.
At the time of the offences Chan & Sukumaran were young adults of 21yrs & 24yrs old respectively; the other members of the Bali Nine recieved sentences of between 20yrs & life in prison. In the 10 years they have been behind bars, Chan & Sukumaran have been model prisoners - both have become religious, showing extreme remorse for their crimes; and have contributed to prison life & the rehabilitation of fellow inmates by giving classes in Art & computer lessons.
The Australian Government has responded by condemning the lack of compassion shown by the Indonesian government, in particular the president Joko Widodo; and withdrawing the Australian Ambassador to Indonesia. (The first good thing this government has done!!)
What do you think regarding the policy of executions of foreigners for drug crimes, especially considering the age of the pair at the time & their apparent rehabilitation & remorse since??
Posted 4/28/15
Might be a bit extreme even for Indonesia but they were caught and being ring leaders n all things like that happen. Who's to say whats right and whats wrong when it comes to a different countries laws and regulations. I don't really have sympathy for idiots who get caught doing stuff like that.
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I'm against executions in general.
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I thought it was a well know fact never to do stupid things with drugs in Indonesia.

It's about as dumb as going into an IRA pub and singing God Bless the Queen.



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Was this a big thing in America as well? Because here in Australia this has been on the news constantly for weeks and I am really sick of it.
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I don't know what to say, you get the death penalty in china for dealing drugs too. Most people would not do something so risky unless they are deep in poverty...
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dchompy wrote:

Was this a big thing in America as well? Because here in Australia this has been on the news constantly for weeks and I am really sick of it.


I haven't heard anything about it. I just know not to deal drugs in Asia.

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VZ68 wrote:

I thought it was a well know fact never to do stupid things with drugs in Indonesia.



Yes, it is well known. It is also well known that young people do stupid things. The question is should they lose their life for their mistake when they have so much to offer if they were extended a little leniency? Just because it is the law doesnt make it right, or even sensible!
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dchompy wrote:

Because here in Australia this has been on the news constantly for weeks and I am really sick of it.


Have you been following the story, or are you just sick of hearing their names? I'm sure their families have been sick knowing they will lose their loved ones.

Posted 4/28/15
Never heard about it till now but I really don't care or have sympathy for them. If they didn't want the death penalty then they shouldn't have been doing what they did. They may be younger but I don't put them in the age range where it can be considered just young people doing dumb stuff and should be forgiven. 21 and 24? That is plenty old enough to know better as far as I am concerned. As for their model behavior since being in jail all I have to say is that if they were given life in jail with possibility for parole then sure go ahead and let them out earlier than it would have otherwise been possible. If it was just some number of years then again go ahead and let them out for that good behavior. But I don't think the sentence that was given should be changed completely just because of good behavior.


Just woke up so I don't know if I made as much sense as I hope I did.
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katt14 wrote:

Yes, it is well known. It is also well known that young people do stupid things. The question is should they lose their life for their mistake when they have so much to offer if they were extended a little leniency? Just because it is the law doesnt make it right, or even sensible!


Stupidity is no defence. They must have known that the maximum penalty for drug smuggling in many Asian countries is death before they initiated their plans. They gambled and they lost.

I have more sympathy for the unwary travellers who find that someone has slipped something into their luggage - but then again, that is why they invented suitcases with padlocks.
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Drugs and drug dealing kills people and ruins lives and families. How many people were they ok with killing and ruining with their drug empire for something as inane as money. These criminals valued money, not peoples lives. The world needs less of their kind.
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Posted 4/29/15

dchompy wrote:

Was this a big thing in America as well? Because here in Australia this has been on the news constantly for weeks and I am really sick of it.


It was probably not as big anywhere else, maybe a little bit of coverage instead of every single day for 3 weeks, the first time i saw It come up on the news my reaction was "oh great, we are going to here about these guys every single day until they die..." but seriously they served 10 years already + death that is a double whammy, aus government should have run black ops pretending to be isis and break them out and throw them in our own jail. Periodically publishing footage of them fighting in the middle east.
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djpook26 wrote:

Drugs and drug dealing kills people and ruins lives and families. How many people were they ok with killing and ruining with their drug empire for something as inane as money. These criminals valued money, not peoples lives. The world needs less of their kind.


People who do drugs choose to do drugs, these guys did not force it down anyones throat, If they weren't dumb enough to do it someone else would, and the drug user's would end up finding a dodgier alternative that is more likely to harm them.

Clearly Indonesian government values peoples lives as much as these guys do/did HA HA.
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Posted 4/29/15
True. I don't feel terribly sorry for drug users either. And unfortunately, there is no shortage of the morally bankrupt that prey on others weaknesses for a buck.

Governments though, don't always have the luxury of valuing every life. They have to often make tough decisions that protect the most people.
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