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How does one overcome the rational part of the brain saying it's not a good thing to do? I know, environment and stuff has to do with it, but is there a way to actively influence it? Like, life's horrible for you and you think about doing it all the time, but you still can't do it even if you think it's for the best... Or is this feeling just being projected to your conscious but your subconscious doesn't feel it at all?

Edit: If this thread is against the forum rules, I'm sorry and I'll be taking full responsibility.
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I dont quite understand your question.

But if you feel like you want to kill yourself but have never gotten the nerve to do it.. you really dont want to kill yourself.

Take it from someone who had like 3 failed attempts when he was 17.. I thought i wanted to kill myself, I really did, but after downing a bottle of pills and forcing myself to throw them up at the time, I realized I really dont want to kill myself.


I still have those feelings of wanting to die from time to time, but I would rather live through it and wait till it gets better.

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I believe it all has to do with rationalization. You said "rationally, its not a good thing to do," yet that is the answer right there. To those who go through with it, they have managed to talk themselves into thinking that it IS a rational thing to do. Our brains are extremely powerful and we can basically talk ourselves into rationalizing anything if we want to.

We make our own realities by either lying to ourselves or being honest with ourselves. It is similar to addiction and other harmful activities. While it may be obvious that they are not rational choices to some people, the ones who suffer from these activities are able to talk themselves into it by rationalizing it in their own minds. In Psychology, "rationalization" is a textbook mechanism for addicts and other perpetrators of self-harm.
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SaeDVK wrote:

I believe it all has to do with rationalization. You said "rationally, its not a good thing to do," yet that is the answer right there. To those who go through with it, they have managed to talk themselves into thinking that it IS a rational thing to do. Our brains are extremely powerful and we can basically talk ourselves into rationalizing anything if we want to.

We make our own realities by either lying to ourselves or being honest with ourselves. It is similar to addiction and other harmful activities. While it may be obvious that they are not rational choices to some people, the ones who suffer from these activities are able to talk themselves into it by rationalizing it in their own minds. In Psychology, "rationalization" is a textbook mechanism for addicts and other perpetrators of self-harm.


Amen.
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I'll be totally honest with you, if you are or anyone is feeling suicidal...please see a doctor, get medication and find someone to talk to.
Everyone goes through depression at some point but if have such low self worth that you are constantly thinking of killing yourself...go see a medical professional. It is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of and i would applaud anyone who got help. I was terrified when i first brought up how i was feeling with my Doctor but i'm glad i did because i got help straight away. I still do have unpleasant thoughts but I'm generally happy.
If you aren't comfortable with Doctors and medication, we can talk about alternatives. I got off my medication about a year ago and i don't mind talking about what works for me now.

If you need someone to talk with...please feel free to message me I promise I'm super nice! We can have a feelings jam!
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Nalaniel wrote:

How does one overcome the rational part of the brain saying it's not a good thing to do?


Listen to that part of the brain, it's right!
Posted 4/29/15

Nalaniel wrote:

How does one overcome the rational part of the brain saying it's not a good thing to do? I know, environment and stuff has to do with it, but is there a way to actively influence it? Like, life's horrible for you and you think about doing it all the time, but you still can't do it even if you think it's for the best... Or is this feeling just being projected to your conscious but your subconscious doesn't feel it at all?

Edit: If this thread is against the forum rules, I'm sorry and I'll be taking full responsibility.


Do you want to die or this just hypothetical question ? I had deal with people who have try to kill them self-before. I feel that every one here will be able to answer your question a lot better if we knew what you meant. And can you elaborate a bit more ? I think I understand what you are asking but because you are saying it in a vague way, I not sure how to answer you dear.
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Also, it is worth mentioning that when someone you know (or even you) is clinically depressed then: yes, they should see a doctor, but no, they most likely are not going to end up killing themselves. Most suicides happen when the person in question reaches a state of complete apathy. This is a lack of all emotions and absolutely zero caring. The person is too apathetic to even be sad. When they reach that state of apathy, THEN you need to start worrying about suicide as a viable option.

Also, look for textbook signs such as giving away their possessions and a change in behavior from extremely sad to oddly at peace (this means they have made up their mind).
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I believe suicide is a choice that every person has a right to make, selfish or not. That being said I'm not one to encourage it, especially if the person is having some mental resistance to the idea like you have said you are experiencing. Life can be unbelievably painful and absolutely unbearable at times but there are better ways to escape. You may have a part of yourself that longs to die (most people do I think) but it sounds like there is also a tiny part of you somewhere that wants to LIVE. Please think about this. Taking your life is a commitment unlike any other, you cannot go back! So please PLEASE before you do anything you aren't ready to fully commit too, weigh your options, reach out to people and think about what in your life is making you feel this way and make a RADICAL change.

***Just keep in mind also, if you somehow fail in the process to successfully take your life there are a lot worse things than death. Not to mention, suicide is already incredibly painful for those that are close to you, and can be more so if you are unable to successfully get the job done. Your brain and body can suffer tremendous, irreversible damage in a failed attempt. This means you could end up brain dead or unable to talk or see or hear or use the restroom at your will . Leaving your loved ones with the decision to take you off life support or spend the rest of their life caring for a vegetable haunted by memories of you when you were walking, talking, smiling, living and able to fend for yourself. Not to say that this will happen with guaranteed certainty it is just one of many possible outcomes. Just keep these things in mind and REALLY think about what it is that you want.

I really hope the best for you and I hope you can find the strength to endure it all :(

Posted 4/29/15 , edited 4/29/15
If an individual fails to kill themself at one time doesn't mean they weren't serious about it.

It doesn't mean they are like you or think like you do.

It doesn't mean they are cowards because they think before they act.

To think so is foolish. A lot of people who can't go through with it do so at a later date.


It may not always get better, but it can always get worse. It only gets worse in time, when someone has their mid-life crisis and grows old, things become less hopeful and cheerful. In the elderly suicide is quite high for a reason.

I think its stupid when some punk guy thinks he's all bad-ass because he lives his life on the edge and shit. They don't know anything.

Posted 4/29/15 , edited 4/29/15
i think subconsciously the genetic code instilled this "fear of dying" into you... so that you can't overcome it. it's the genetic code's way of having a security measure... otherwise people will be dropping like flies, and it doesn't want that.

unless you experience something that gives you no hope, or chronic pain, i don't think it's easy to overcome that "fear".

(i know i'm talking like the genetic code is a human being, in a way it is... it controls everything. it's responsible for everything).
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Are you asking how you can work up the courage to off yourself? Pretty sure no one here's gonna help you with that. It's a common urge in adolescence. It'll pass. For me, listening to the Iron Maiden album "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son" over and over helped.
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Ending the struggle is allowing yourself to be defeated by it... if watching anime has taught me anything its perseverance. Giving up is easy... life is hard.. the struggle and the experience is what makes it worth while....
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