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Its feeling like the benefits of dyeing outweigh the benefits of living. Its not a rational state of mind which is why counseling is needed to help people get through it.
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Don't.

Just don't do it. Do something else, anything else, go outside and climb some trees, make some paper airplanes and see which one flies the best, go and run like Forrest Gump, just do something, anything.

As for your question about rationality of suicide. There are cases where I think it's understandable, for example, if your father in law rapes you and you are pregnant, or if you are in battle vs ISIS and you are about to be captured, or if you have terminal illness and you are in unbearable pain all of the time. In this kind of cases, as extreme as suicide is, I think it may be the rational thing to do.

However, if you are just depressed, and feeling down, alone, failed, etc, etc, then in these kind of cases, suicide is definitely NOT the rational thing to do.

I hope that helps.
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When I was in my early 20s I was pretty damn depressed and suicide crossed my mind. I thought about all the people I loved and who loved me who I would hurt in the process and I sought help. Saw a psychiatrist, got free meds because I couldn't afford them. I'm still alive.
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Suicide is the most selfish and hurtful thing you can do. It hurts everyone around you, even if you don't think it does.

Get help immediately; if you're in the US, 1 (800) 273-8255 can help you.
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If you don't want to kill yourself, but feel like you do. Go see a therapist, or a doctor and get some anti-depression medicine. It's most likely depression. There are times when I feel really good, and others I feel like complete shit, without any rational explanation outside of a chemical imbalance.

Rationally, it's hard to rationalize that it really matters that we were born in the first place. We are living purely on an emotional high and a instinctive fear of death. So the best way to avoid suicide is not to try and rationalize against it, it's to go and try to get your emotions back in a good place. Porn and techno usually help me. Aside from that Nostalgia is also pretty good. Watching the Nostalgia Critic works for me since he is from the same era as I am, but you may need something different.

No alcohol though! Alcohol is a big no no for depression. It will put you in a very bad place.
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I do not have a degree in psychology so I will not act like I know what I'am talking about, and I also don't know your situation. I'am not going to post a novella about why I think suicide is wrong. What I will do is leave you with a quote that I once heard. I would like for you to read it. Once you have read it, please read it again, and again. Once that is done just think about it for as long as you need to.

"Suicide, a permanent solution for a temporary problem"
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Nalaniel wrote:

How does one overcome the rational part of the brain saying it's not a good thing to do? I know, environment and stuff has to do with it, but is there a way to actively influence it? Like, life's horrible for you and you think about doing it all the time, but you still can't do it even if you think it's for the best... Or is this feeling just being projected to your conscious but your subconscious doesn't feel it at all?

Edit: If this thread is against the forum rules, I'm sorry and I'll be taking full responsibility.


I think if someone has exhausted all the possibilities of being happy, and still want to commit suicide, they shouldn't be stopped. But, you only have this one life, and if you're a teen, it would be extremely stupid to die... by your own hand. But, if you went to therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, anime conventions, a long line of significant others, drugs, alcohol, spirituality, Hello Kitty, MMOs, animes, mangas, vacations, different schools, talked to your parents, and tried homeschooling. If you tried all that and are still unhappy, and ruled out chemical imbalance-induced depression - then it's fine to leave earth.

I think anyone's hesitation goes away when they come to the resolution that they tried their best to not be suicidal, but that no matter what they do, that's what they want. It's with that resolve that the act becomes more possible.

No one should commit suicide though -_-, except Hitler.
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Nalaniel wrote:

How does one overcome the rational part of the brain saying it's not a good thing to do? I know, environment and stuff has to do with it, but is there a way to actively influence it? Like, life's horrible for you and you think about doing it all the time, but you still can't do it even if you think it's for the best... Or is this feeling just being projected to your conscious but your subconscious doesn't feel it at all?

Edit: If this thread is against the forum rules, I'm sorry and I'll be taking full responsibility.



well, to answer your question, you do not overcome the rational part of the brain saying it's not a good thing to do .
suicide should be done where there are no regrets, when there is no voice saying dont do it.
suicide is something you have to be sure of. if there are questions or doubts, then its not time.

don't do it.

i know what it feels like, ive tried it before and failed. the next time i wont fail, ive made sure of that.

but for now, im 31, i still have time, health, and the will to keep living.

go see a doc, get some on some meds, then decide if you really want to kill your self.



p.s. don't take pills. and make sure you dont take anyone else without.

you have a PM.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

I never really thought suicide as cowardly, selfish, or stupid.



I hate it when people do commit suicide. I hate to see it. Life can be very hard for some, but I want to see people endure to the end. But I don't have ill feelings for those who do it. I have compassion for them. Some people suffer very much and end up ending their lives and I wish they didn't do it, but I've gone through some very painful experiences and very painful times in my life, and I understand that life can be brutally hard sometimes. For some people, it is brutally hard more than just 'sometimes'. So I have compassion for these people. But I always advocate people contemplating it to choose to fight and to choose to live. A lot of times, things really do get better. Thank God, for me, after years of hard struggling (well over a decade), things really did get better for me.
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life gets better.... but it depends on you if want it to or not
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If its suicide you wish to commit because of Depression (regardless of what induced it), understand that its a self-perpetuating negative feedback loop. You will find it difficult to find it difficult to overcome it without the intervention of professional help, drugs, or spiritual well being (not to be confused with religious piety).

Understand, the brain of a depressed person becomes structurally morphed over time. With different neurotransmitters firing or mis-firing at irregular times. Sometimes drugs are good starting point if its already bad and can be weened off with the support of others by establishing regular exercise or meditation habits. Sometimes drugs should be the last option.

There is no right or wrong, and be careful in falling into the realm of psuedo-sciecne. Read Happiness Hypothesis by Johnathan Haidt (University of New York). Its a great primer on the subject.

With that said, I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, but have read enough and suffered through my own problems to understand that that thinking you can will yourself out of problems is a fools game. You are no superman. And mother nature will leave you to rot. Be willing to seek help.

Lastly, I want to restate something that is very important. Don't assume you have to do it yourself. Just don't. We evolved as social creatures (the reasons why aren't entirely agreed upon, and don't matter), and studies have shown that the brains of lonely people are less healthy and age quicker than the brains of more social people.

I also don't want to hear "i'm an introvert" bullcrap on this note. There is a difference between being an introvert and a shut-in. These days you can find someone (at least one person) who will be your friend. Hell, even having a pet to cuddle with has been shown to have some health benefits.

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There are also existential and loss induced suicidal tendencies. I forget which billionaire it was who offed himself because he lost 9 billion even though he still had 3. Only to (ironically) have banks he'd solicited loans for to help his ailing business' approve his requests a few days after his death.

There are also stories of folks who sold business for several millions and have offed themselves realizing they had nothing else to work/live for.

There's also cases of people who peak in a career (sometimes this coincides with the mid-life crisis) and are at a loss for what to do the rest of their lives. And if folks don't feel they've done anything worthwhile, it can send them into a depression of sorts just as easily.

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Voluntary suicide because of satisfaction of a life well lived, or because of a terminal illness I support though. Granted, the former may be difficult to assess how "honest" someone is being with themselves from an objective standpoint.


As unique a person as you are, your case or reason for cause for want of suicide probably aren't. In which case you should probably seek help.

If this is purely hypothetical, which I don't know since I only read the OP, then I hope it helps someone. If its not, I hope your takeway is that dealing with thoughts of suicide or depression aren't impossible to overcome. I'm speaking from a personal experience on this note. In hindsight your depression may seem silly. Or you will be able to constructively reflect on it. But whatever pain you feel is real in the moment. But it can be dealt with.
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