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The hell? Which Gundam have you been watching? Because in almost every series the protagonist's machine main weapon is some type of beam rifle or cannon.

to say nothing of gundams like Heavyarms, or Dynames...
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Dendetsu wrote:
The hell? Which Gundam have you been watching? Because in almost every series the protagonist's machine main weapon is some type of beam rifle or cannon.

to say nothing of gundams like Heavyarms, or Dynames...


Alot of this.

Im fairly confident that the majority of Gundams have a focus on Range, with Melee as a side thought with a standard beam saber or 2.
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Gundams seem to me just have the ability to take way more punishment so I think they are stronger.

Veritechs are just way cooler. Even today they don't look dated.
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It would all boil down to the pilot. In both series it wasn't the power of the suit but skill of the pilot that was showcased.


Very true...


but hands down, I say Macross.


Gundams are too novelty based, and the weaponry is primarily oversized melee weapons, and the pilots are 15 year olds...

Macross is not.


The hell? Which Gundam have you been watching? Because in almost every series the protagonist's machine main weapon is some type of beam rifle or cannon.


"The name Beam Saber is somewhat of a misnomer as, unlike other weapons with the word beam, the beam saber does not use mega-particles. Instead, it emits high-energy Minovsky particles to form a blade-shaped I-field (via manipulation of electromagnetic fields), and then fills this I-field shell with superheated Minovsky particle plasma to produce an effective cutting blade. The Minovsky particles are stored by E-cap in the hilt of the beam saber, which is recharged from the mobile suit's reactor when the saber is returned to its socket. Once activated, beam sabers do not rely on the mobile suit's reactor and can be thrown (as demonstrated in Mobile Suit Victory Gundam) or discarded as decoys (as first demonstrated in Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory.)

The termination of the I-field along a solid contact surface allows the plasma to eat away at the offending material until the I-field reestablishes itself, allowing the weapon to "cut" through almost any target. Likewise, as the beam saber's I-field enclosure repels plasma, it not only keeps the blade's plasma in but also keeps plasma from another blade out allowing one beam saber to be used to block another. Since the containing fields can be formed into a variety of simple shapes, it is trivial to create exotic variants like the Beam Tomahawk, Beam Axe, Beam Naginata, etc. Even a Beam Flag was created to be used as a signaling device."

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Universal_Century_Weapons

"GN Blades
GN Claw
Used only by the GN-X series of mobile suits, the claw is a normal manipulator hand equipped with a GN Particle infused claw weapon. Used only as a last resort in close combat.
GN Lance
Used only with the GNX-609T GN-XIII and the Advanced GN-X (Proto GN Lance), the weapon is similar to the old medieval weapon used by knights of the Middle Ages. It can only be used as a jousting weapon but is also armed with four independent GN Beam Guns for rapid fire capabilities. It is also designed to penetrate GN FIelds.
GN Sword
The physical alternative to GN Beam Sabers. The blade is made of E-Carbon, giving it tremendous cutting power. Most GN Blades are coated with a GN Field on the surface to increase it's sharpness.[2] Thus not only giving the blades even greater cutting ability, but they can also negate any GN Field. One disadvantage they possess compared to beam sabers is that the blades can be destroyed or wear out from disrepair.
More types of physical GN swords were created in the future. Celestial Being uses the same material GN Condensers are made from.[4] These deal great damage by converting GN Particles into intense heat to help melt enemy armor.[4] A different version of a more advanced GN physical swords was also created by the Earth Sphere Federation Army for Susanowo that involves beam generation near the solid edges to improve it's cutting ability.[5]
GN Hammer
A new weapon designed by Hanayo and improved by Sherilyn Hyde before it is manufactured. It is a wire guided ball with spikes at the end, and can deliver a devastating strike to enemy units. Used only by GNY-001F Gundam Astraea Type F and its variants."

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Anno_Domini_Weapons

That was enough for me. Trust me, only the throw away gundams get the rifles and cannons all the main characters in the show tend to have a beam melee weapon.
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I why arent Destroids or Zen Command pods a choice?


Hell, I'm trying to find a loophole to let me vote for Word of Blake LAMs....
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I haven't watched any Macross series, but I know the Strike Freedom can crush anything. Kira "Jesus" Yamato has infinite plot armor that would allow him to survive an explosion in his own cockpit and rise from the dead later on to make himself the main character again. He can't lose. You have the terrible SEED/SEED Destiny writers to thank for that.
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serifsansserif wrote:


Dendetsu wrote:


serifsansserif wrote:


corteznr1 wrote:

It would all boil down to the pilot. In both series it wasn't the power of the suit but skill of the pilot that was showcased.


Very true...


but hands down, I say Macross.


Gundams are too novelty based, and the weaponry is primarily oversized melee weapons, and the pilots are 15 year olds...

Macross is not.


The hell? Which Gundam have you been watching? Because in almost every series the protagonist's machine main weapon is some type of beam rifle or cannon.


"The name Beam Saber is somewhat of a misnomer as, unlike other weapons with the word beam, the beam saber does not use mega-particles. Instead, it emits high-energy Minovsky particles to form a blade-shaped I-field (via manipulation of electromagnetic fields), and then fills this I-field shell with superheated Minovsky particle plasma to produce an effective cutting blade. The Minovsky particles are stored by E-cap in the hilt of the beam saber, which is recharged from the mobile suit's reactor when the saber is returned to its socket. Once activated, beam sabers do not rely on the mobile suit's reactor and can be thrown (as demonstrated in Mobile Suit Victory Gundam) or discarded as decoys (as first demonstrated in Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory.)

The termination of the I-field along a solid contact surface allows the plasma to eat away at the offending material until the I-field reestablishes itself, allowing the weapon to "cut" through almost any target. Likewise, as the beam saber's I-field enclosure repels plasma, it not only keeps the blade's plasma in but also keeps plasma from another blade out allowing one beam saber to be used to block another. Since the containing fields can be formed into a variety of simple shapes, it is trivial to create exotic variants like the Beam Tomahawk, Beam Axe, Beam Naginata, etc. Even a Beam Flag was created to be used as a signaling device."

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Universal_Century_Weapons

"GN Blades
GN Claw
Used only by the GN-X series of mobile suits, the claw is a normal manipulator hand equipped with a GN Particle infused claw weapon. Used only as a last resort in close combat.
GN Lance
Used only with the GNX-609T GN-XIII and the Advanced GN-X (Proto GN Lance), the weapon is similar to the old medieval weapon used by knights of the Middle Ages. It can only be used as a jousting weapon but is also armed with four independent GN Beam Guns for rapid fire capabilities. It is also designed to penetrate GN FIelds.
GN Sword
The physical alternative to GN Beam Sabers. The blade is made of E-Carbon, giving it tremendous cutting power. Most GN Blades are coated with a GN Field on the surface to increase it's sharpness.[2] Thus not only giving the blades even greater cutting ability, but they can also negate any GN Field. One disadvantage they possess compared to beam sabers is that the blades can be destroyed or wear out from disrepair.
More types of physical GN swords were created in the future. Celestial Being uses the same material GN Condensers are made from.[4] These deal great damage by converting GN Particles into intense heat to help melt enemy armor.[4] A different version of a more advanced GN physical swords was also created by the Earth Sphere Federation Army for Susanowo that involves beam generation near the solid edges to improve it's cutting ability.[5]
GN Hammer
A new weapon designed by Hanayo and improved by Sherilyn Hyde before it is manufactured. It is a wire guided ball with spikes at the end, and can deliver a devastating strike to enemy units. Used only by GNY-001F Gundam Astraea Type F and its variants."

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Anno_Domini_Weapons

That was enough for me. Trust me, only the throw away gundams get the rifles and cannons all the main characters in the show tend to have a beam melee weapon.



Ouch, Ouch. I have to Ask, What Gundam have you watched? Your effectively reaching for straws with those examples.

The Beam Saber is standard equipment for nearly any Gundam ever. However, pretty much every suit that has a Beam Saber also has a ranged weapon, and relies on the ranged weapon with the Beam saber as a fallback weapon. Most of the Gundams that have unique Melee weapons do not have a proper beam saber.

The GN Hammer is concept weapon, the GN Claws don't even go on Gundams, and the GN Lance was never equipped on a Gundam and was used by mooks as their primary ranged weapon. The GN Sword is really the only good example you have on this list, and even it was used as a ranged weapon. Really, you cant use any melee weapons from the Anno Domini/00 universe, because nearly all of them are basically 2 mode weapons with a ranged mode and a melee mode.

If you want to refer to melee heavy suits, the only ones that really glare into my mind is Gundam Deathsythe, Gundam Exia/00, The Destiny, and pretty much any Gundam from the G-Gundam Universe. Even Gundam Seed's Justice, which was radically melee focused, had a stupid amount of ranged weaponry on it.

By Universe:
UC Varies: but the majority of the suits/series have a ranged focus. Amuro Ray's initial campaign was melee focused however. Its even called out in universe at some point as melee weapons being inefficient due to the Armor penetration on new ranged weapons. Zeta, ZZ, Chars Counter, War in the Pocket, Stardust memories, Gundam F91, 8th MS Team, and Unicorn all starred main chars who's Gundams were all ranged focus. I have not watched Victory Gundam.
G Gundam: Its a Super robot sure, its sure as hell melee focused, lol. (Shining finger anyone)? Pretty much none of them had oversized melee weapons though. Each one had a theme that had to work with the country. When it really broke down into it, it was mostly robot fist to robot fist.
Gundam Wing: The Main Char has a balanced suit with more ranged focus(Wing), another friend with a balanced suit(Sandrock, did have physical melee weapons), has 1 friend that is basically moving artillery(Heavy Arms), one friend melee focused (Deathscythe), one perfectly balanced friend (Shenlong, spec wise is a balanced middle ranged suit despite its looks.) Out of All the Gundams, this is the one that had the most suits on the screen at the same time that would have engaged in melee combat without the use of hands or beam sabers.
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED This show is known as Gundam: Beam Spam. seriously, almost all of the suits have crazy large guns. The Strike did have a possible configuration pack that was used in series that did have a giant sword, but the other 2 configs shown off and used more frequently was the Aile (Ranged maneuverability standoff config), and the Launcher Strike (Massive Ranged, no melee abilities) Beyond that the main char gets GUNDAM: DAKA EDITION. The Vast majority of suits in this series are ranged focused suits.
Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny This is known as Gundam: More Beam spam. They heard you liked guns so they put guns in your guns that shoot more guns that shoot Beams. The Main Char basically emulates the strike, one standoff Pack, one Melee pack, and one Massively ranged focus pack. His Upgrade is balanced, with a slight lingering towards the melee scale. Nearly everyone else is just throwing beam cannons wherever they can. Especially the Strike Freedom. Infinite Justice does favor melee, although its pilot seems to ignore that fact and just throw his melee stuff at the enemy.
Gundam 00 4 Gundams. One Sniper based suit, one Middle range interception ranged focused suit (With a melee gimmick), one Artillery suit, and one Melee Oriented suit with several beam cannons. All 4 share spot light. The one the story gravitates around the most does use the melee oriented suit, but its for plot reasons.
Gundam Unicorn So much Beam Focus. I mean, a Beam Magnum?!?!?!

Also, do keep in mind that I never deny beam sabers are used a lot, and I fully admit that melee occurs a lot too. Also, do keep in mind that in any good show, when the going gets tough fallback options are used. And Beam Sabers are Fallback options. As far as clunky weapons go though, Really only 00's Exia/00 Gundam and Wings Deathsythe/Sandrock come to mind.
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MS Gundam or Macross's Varitechs who do you think would win, in a all out Battle, against the other?



This is way too easy.

I like Veritechs, but there's no way they'd win against these blasted Gundam units that have these little funnel and bit units that DETACH AND FLY AROUND FIRING ALL KINDS OF CRAP FROM ALL DIRECTIONS.

That's totally cheating... and will kill any veritech dead
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This isn't even a contest. A single titular gundam (00 gundam for example) would wipe the floor with an entire unit of varitechs. Gundam armor is OP as it is, couple that with each of the non mass produced units basically being walking WMDs rather than a mech suit and you have literal one man armies. A varitech doesn't come anywhere near that level of defense or firepower. Speed really doesn't factor in either depending on which suit you're talking about, and while they are primarily built for space, Gundam's are known for wreaking havoc on the ground as well.

Now if this was a comparison between one of the Evangelions like Eva-01 and say the Quanta or the Strike Freedom, that'd be a more interesting argument.
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I dunno though, I'd say variable fighters like the YF-29 Durandal, VF-27 Lucifer, or VF-25 Messiah (depending on the equipment) would have a fair chance against many Gundams.

After the Macross Plus point in the timeline, Valkyries have advanced pretty damn far with larger beam weapons, mini-pinpoint barrier systems, much more speed, etc.
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Choose any Mobile Suit or Gundam and Pilot from any Gundam Series or Universe,
and pit them against any Macross Mech, Varitech and Pilot.
but it has to be one on one.
Like ZZ Gundam VS. the VFX 22 from Macross Plus!!!

Pick your winner, but please, give a reason, why you feel your choice is the better one!!!






I have read all of the previous post And there are few of you, who have failed to conclude your arguments of the debate
sighting the differences, in the types of weaponry or their weaponry capabilities.

I guess the Question needs to be rephrased

Would Your Ultimate Gundam, Moblie suit, moblie armor, or otherwise Win in a All out Battle against the Ultimate Varitech, Mech, or otherwise, from the Macross Universe?

You can use Destroids too, if you like.

Please provide the name of the Mechs and the name of the Pilot or Pilots from both Universes
The Pilot doesn't have to be the actual Pilot from the series, ova, Manga, or movie.
Remember you are making an argument for cause.
You can choose to include an Environment if it provides enough of a edge for your scenario, but ultimately, as a variable, it shouldn't matter.

Only who wins, in your opinion, and why.

GUNDAMS AND THEIR PILOTS VS. VARITECHS AND THEIR PILOTS
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