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A Theory About Gods Existence?
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Posted 4/30/15
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Ejanss wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

Does anyone actually care if god exist or do they just want heaven to exist?


Ask someone coming out of depression how important it is to them that God exists.





Nobodyofimportance wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

Does anyone actually care if god exist or do they just want heaven to exist?


Depends on how cynical you are I suppose.
Some people think god hates everybody who has sex, enjoys dancing, and has fun.
So they're clearly not in the heaven after death category.
Other people are only willing to believe in something if it benefits them.
Those people clearly are in the second category.

Some people just happen to like the idea of god and heaven, or thought about it and figured that it makes sense.
And others did the same and came to a different conclusion.
And others still don't believe in monotheism. It's a big world.


@Nobodyofimportance - you clearly answered the question *no sarcasm* thank you.


Hypothetically
If we were given a choice, God or heaven? Which would you choose?

(you have proven God's existence but he/she stated there is no heaven or hell or afterlife. Or you have proven heaven's or afterlife's existence, but there is no god there or god has been proven false.)

I would choose heaven.
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pandrasb wrote:


Hypothetically
If we were given a choice, God or heaven? Which would you choose?

(you have proven God's existence but he/she stated there is no heaven or hell or afterlife. Or you have proven heaven's or afterlife's existence, but there is no god there or god has been proven false.)

I would choose heaven.


God.

What's your definition of heaven? how can heaven exist without God?

For those who are atheist, they don't believe in Heaven or hell because in order to believe in them you need to believe in God. But I'm going to follow your game...I choose God regardless of heaven's existence or non-existence. Why? because right now I believe in God but I don't believe I will go to heaven and I don't try to do good just because I want to go to heaven but because I want to please God (I fail a lot). God can send me anywhere He wants... I would accept it and without him, heaven is pointless.

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What did Satan do again?


Convinced you that he doesn't exist.


Is this a joke?
Quite an old one.


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pandrasb wrote:
@Nobodyofimportance - you clearly answered the question *no sarcasm* thank you.


Hypothetically
If we were given a choice, God or heaven? Which would you choose?

(you have proven God's existence but he/she stated there is no heaven or hell or afterlife. Or you have proven heaven's or afterlife's existence, but there is no god there or god has been proven false.)

I would choose heaven.

I choose god.
Don't believe me?
Not in the mood to care right now.
God does what he wants.
If anybody doesn't like it they have to deal.
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pandrasb Hypothetically
If we were given a choice, God or heaven? Which would you choose?.


The good part is, you don't have to. Yeah, I know, that freaks some people out.

Point is, it's taking down the atheists' usual cynicism-loves-company whine of "Everybody just wants fire insurance, because they're afraid of death, ooo, booga-booga!"
Although, as Rod Serling pointed out in one memorable Twilight Zone episode, put an atheist and someone of comfortable forward-looking faith in a locked room with a loudly ticking time bomb, and see which is the FIRST of the two to soil his diapers, cry like a little girl, and chew through the door trying to get out.
Some of us manage to get through the little things in life knowing that it's about quality, not quantity.
Posted 4/30/15

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It's more like the Father wants his kids to respect him and follow his advice for a better life. The Father also punishes his kids when they do wrong and sometimes leave them by themselves so they can grow and learn when they don't want to listen.


As for God's existence, I'm not religious, I don't go to church but I do believe in God. Don't think of him like one of our kind, he is no man. He is a spirit, he is everywhere. Call me crazy or anything but in my heart I know he exists and I have seen his work in my life.





That's kind of how I see God as well. Kind of like how in a kid's younger years the father is their to take care of them, but once the child is old enough to do things on their own the father let's go. However the father is still around if the child needs anything. In more ancient times God would have been more active in our lives and more miracles would have been evident. However now a days there are certain things we may not exactly need him for (such as in medical situations.....curing certain illnesses) so in a sense he becomes less active. We can still call on him if we need him and he will be there. It's just a matter of hey you have this now so you don't really need me to help, but I'm still here. This is just a theory that has crossed my mind in terms of God's existence.

Also I see it as that God is ultimately unknowable. I can't prove he exists by means of science. However I am very hesitant on throwing out his existence. It all boils down to belief. I can't prove he exists by some mathematical formula or some science experiment as I believe that defeats his purpose. I think we as humans can only comprehend what we can actually see and test. Things like God, his existence, and the afterlife goes completely over our heads. The supernatural would not be the supernatural if we are able to explain it. I think trying to prove God's existence is completely pointless as it will never go anywhere...it's a stalemate. It's just a matter if one chooses to believe or not.
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pandrasb wrote:


Ejanss wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

Does anyone actually care if god exist or do they just want heaven to exist?


Ask someone coming out of depression how important it is to them that God exists.





Nobodyofimportance wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

Does anyone actually care if god exist or do they just want heaven to exist?


Depends on how cynical you are I suppose.
Some people think god hates everybody who has sex, enjoys dancing, and has fun.
So they're clearly not in the heaven after death category.
Other people are only willing to believe in something if it benefits them.
Those people clearly are in the second category.

Some people just happen to like the idea of god and heaven, or thought about it and figured that it makes sense.
And others did the same and came to a different conclusion.
And others still don't believe in monotheism. It's a big world.


@Nobodyofimportance - you clearly answered the question *no sarcasm* thank you.


Hypothetically
If we were given a choice, God or heaven? Which would you choose?

(you have proven God's existence but he/she stated there is no heaven or hell or afterlife. Or you have proven heaven's or afterlife's existence, but there is no god there or god has been proven false.)

I would choose heaven.


Fuck God. I would chose afterlife. A person who is just a fucking sociopaths and have killed more then 100 000 shouldn't be fucking praise. I rather go to hell then end up in heaven with those random people. By the way which fucking God are we talking about?
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Fuck God. I would chose afterlife. A person who is just a fucking sociopaths and have killed more then 100 000 shouldn't be fucking praise. I rather go to hell then end up in heaven with those random people. By the way which fucking God are we talking about?


Well assuming we're going for a random omnipotent one, then he could live every one of those 100,000 lives before he killed them. And probably did if he's eternal.
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Ssomething wrote:


pandrasb wrote:


Hypothetically
If we were given a choice, God or heaven? Which would you choose?

(you have proven God's existence but he/she stated there is no heaven or hell or afterlife. Or you have proven heaven's or afterlife's existence, but there is no god there or god has been proven false.)

I would choose heaven.


God.

What's your definition of heaven? how can heaven exist without God?

For those who are atheist, they don't believe in Heaven or hell because in order to believe in them you need to believe in God. But I'm going to follow your game...I choose God regardless of heaven's existence or non-existence. Why? because right now I believe in God but I don't believe I will go to heaven and I don't try to do good just because I want to go to heaven but because I want to please God (I fail a lot). God can send me anywhere He wants... I would accept it and without him, heaven is pointless.



What's your definition of heaven?
For this example I'm gonna go for something kind of standard-ish. A place good people go after they die, to live blissfully for eternity. (or after live)

how can heaven exist without God?
Just for this example. (let's say it just exist)
Thought it would be interesting to see what would people do if there was a Heaven but no God there. Also curious as to what would you do if God is there?
Posted 4/30/15
Sorry but the god from the bible doesn't exist, If there is a God it's probably more or less a species of super intelligent beings. It's possible that this universe was created by them. But no, One nice little god that heals people but also has a book of dumb things in which he kills many people and whatever, is stupid. Sorry.
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Nobodyofimportance wrote:


TomCraft wrote:

Fuck God. I would chose afterlife. A person who is just a fucking sociopaths and have killed more then 100 000 shouldn't be fucking praise. I rather go to hell then end up in heaven with those random people. By the way which fucking God are we talking about?


Well assuming we're going for a random omnipotent one, then he could live every one of those 100,000 lives before he killed them. And probably did if he's eternal.


Considering the language being used I predict a visit from the omnipresent moderators.
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oh god, another religious "debate" thread, im out of here
How ironic.
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Ejanss wrote:


pandrasb Hypothetically
If we were given a choice, God or heaven? Which would you choose?.


The good part is, you don't have to. Yeah, I know, that freaks some people out.

Point is, it's taking down the atheists' usual cynicism-loves-company whine of "Everybody just wants fire insurance, because they're afraid of death, ooo, booga-booga!"
Although, as Rod Serling pointed out in one memorable Twilight Zone episode, put an atheist and someone of comfortable forward-looking faith in a locked room with a loudly ticking time bomb, and see which is the FIRST of the two to soil his diapers, cry like a little girl, and chew through the door trying to get out.
Some of us manage to get through the little things in life knowing that it's about quality, not quantity.


That's kind of assuming a lot about a diverse group of people, isn't it? Two, really.

An atheist wouldn't panic about his impending death just because he is an atheist and doesn't believe in anything spiritual. The religious person wouldn't be calm when confronted with impending death just because he does. To say that these behaviors are exclusive to one group or the other simply because of their faith or lack thereof is completely silly, and it is really something of an inaccurate idea that has passed through time very well. "There are no atheists in foxholes," is false and undermines a group of people.

I've been faced with death a few times, and I was very calm each time. I didn't resort to prayer, either. That isn't to say that I find anything wrong with belief, though; if it helps people, it is good. Just don't make sweeping generalizations.
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Considering the language being used I predict a visit from the omnipresent moderators.


I think you're going to be right. Unless things turn for the better, which is possible.
Actually, I'm not sure.
The future is a grim, dark place with the canary of hope fluttering somewhere within.
Stupid bird, just let me catch you.
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