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Should insane people be executed?
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I don't know. If they had caught Hitler would it be OK to treat his insanity or did he deserve the death penalty? Even after he had millions killed? It's a different question when you adjust the magnitude of destruction isn't it?
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Steelmonk wrote:

I don't know. If they had caught Hitler would it be OK to treat his insanity or did he deserve the death penalty? Even after he had millions killed? It's a different question when you adjust the magnitude of destruction isn't it?

Really? like if he was only a idol of an idea that other supported would you then blame him or say that he was the evil to get destroyed?
I guess that is a name for having an Idol/god that will make others do things for them (either insane or not) like its not hitler that murder anyone did he or did it only from his side and not the people that followed him in dire times where they belived he could change things but like most groups (either in middle east, america and so on) that some groups like some teen made groups about keeping thier country toughter while others come in and ruin it like IS cind of did turn a group (from my belives only) that they made something reasonable first but then someone showed thier real side turing that group when so big and into the leaders illusions about whats right that they followed for a "better future".

Who is it to blame leader, the whole groupe, the ones who does the actions or created them?

who is at fault for this? all?
Even if its good people this could go out of that has to follow the rules of others since now they are trapped inside a small corridor with only one way ticket they feel (they could break free) but do they have enough power? Will it only make more unessery deaths?
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Execution = murder there are no excuses it is wrong


Murder is a very specific crime. Execution and murder are both killing but execution is not murder and murder is not execution. Murder is the killing of another human being with malice aforethought and without justification, mitigation, or excuse.

Execution is a killing of a human being with malice aforethought but there is a justification.
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Morbidhanson wrote:


Midnightspell wrote:

Execution = murder there are no excuses it is wrong


Murder is a very specific crime. Execution and murder are both killing but execution is not murder and murder is not execution. Murder is the killing of another human being with malice aforethought and without justification, mitigation, or excuse.

Execution is a killing of a human being with malice aforethought but there is a justification.



In addition, in countries like the U.S. and other western countries, we only execute people who are a danger to the public. I don't even think any child molesters or rapists ever get the death penalty. I think really it just takes a criminal to take at least one other life to even be eligible for the death penalty.
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one thing to keep in mind is the fine line between genius and insanity. Many people who suffer from mental disorders excel greatly in one subject or another. For example: the trend of autistic children to be abnormally adept at math or physics related issues
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Steelmonk wrote:

I don't know. If they had caught Hitler would it be OK to treat his insanity or did he deserve the death penalty? Even after he had millions killed? It's a different question when you adjust the magnitude of destruction isn't it?


Speaking of infamous mass murderers.Do you remember what Stalin said about statistics?
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Depends on whether the mentally ill individual in question has committed a major offense or not. And just how extreme said offense is.
In the case of dubious accusations with possible faulty / inconclusive evidence I'd at least make them WAIT for death--

but if it's a case where the killer CLEARLY COMITTED a crime, ala Luka Magnotta (who literally filmed himself killing a university exchange student by stabbing him with an ice pick, and additionally used to film videos of himself killing KITTENS.) then put the asshole down. If the person whodunit is clearly deranged and responsible, then put them down. Maybe I'm particularly hateful of Magnotta because of his killing of kittens, but come ON, this idiot engages in multiple illegal, gross acts, and he clearly did it, there's video evidence he did it, yet all the wussy Canadian system did was SENTENCE HIM TO LIFE WITH FREAKING PAROLE AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS? NO. NO NO NO!!

People so often claim that the more severe mentally ill can't be held "accountable" for their actions, and that's angering to all the people who've been able to conquer theirs. I found out I had BPD Nov. '14 and it made me start to better understand my problems. And it's not easy. Some days I really want to act out and self destruct and hurt others or myself. Other days I'm zoning out and lose track and concept of time. I have a lot of deficiency from what I assume is this personality disorder, but I DEAL with it. I know with schizoid disorders it is more difficult but frankly I'm sick of mental illness being used 90% of the time in certain cases esp murder / capital crime as an excuse.
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Depends on whether the mentally ill individual in question has committed a major offense or not. And just how extreme said offense is.
In the case of dubious accusations with possible faulty / inconclusive evidence I'd at least make them WAIT for death--

but if it's a case where the killer CLEARLY COMITTED a crime, ala Luka Magnotta (who literally filmed himself killing a university exchange student by stabbing him with an ice pick, and additionally used to film videos of himself killing KITTENS.) then put the asshole down. If the person whodunit is clearly deranged and responsible, then put them down. Maybe I'm particularly hateful of Magnotta because of his killing of kittens, but come ON, this idiot engages in multiple illegal, gross acts, and he clearly did it, there's video evidence he did it, yet all the wussy Canadian system did was SENTENCE HIM TO LIFE WITH FREAKING PAROLE AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS? NO. NO NO NO!!

People so often claim that the more severe mentally ill can't be held "accountable" for their actions, and that's angering to all the people who've been able to conquer theirs. I found out I had BPD Nov. '14 and it made me start to better understand my problems. And it's not easy. Some days I really want to act out and self destruct and hurt others or myself. Other days I'm zoning out and lose track and concept of time. I have a lot of deficiency from what I assume is this personality disorder, but I DEAL with it. I know with schizoid disorders it is more difficult but frankly I'm sick of mental illness being used 90% of the time in certain cases esp murder / capital crime as an excuse.

the arrogance on display here is astounding, even if the base sentiment is valid.
you are basically trying to use your extremely limited experience (even a whole life is limited in the grand scheme) to justify a purely subjective viewpoint, you have no idea how easy or hard it is for people in various situations to actually be accountable and a blanket statement only makes the error of such a proposition certain.

your experiences mean nothing in a qualitative sense, someone with the exact same disorder may react very differently and face very different challenges.
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No. I find it entertaining when people desperately try to do anything to seem insane to escape harsher sentencing.
This would take away the incentive...
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Yep, and he used it well.
Posted 5/2/15
no way.

this type of thinking is dangerous.... kind of similar to what hitler wanted during his regime... kill off all the ones that don't fit his criteria.

People, whether mentally ill or physically, have the right to live. (And the right to euthanasia, if they want it).

Posted 5/2/15
Probably not, but then again the insanity plea thing is a bit too convenient sometimes.
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Hi Silver,

I can only give you an answer from my point of view. I have been diagnosed with mental illness, and have been dealing with it since my middle teens. That said, I never thought about hurting anyone other than myself. Mental illness can manifest itself in different ways. In my case, I couldn't go outside, watch TV, or even play a video game without thinking the world was out to get me (make me suffer and then kill me). If one feels this is the case, depending on the type of person you are, you may want to kill yourself to find relief. On the other hand, you may want to kill the people you think are attacking you simply so they'll leave you alone. In my personal opinion, if someone with mental illness kills another, it is more than likely the failure of the system...and has less to do with the person being homicidal. Once again, unless you truly live through it, you will never understand. Like the doctor who treats the cancer victim will never understand how it truly feels looking from the outside in. I'm not making an excuse for death...but I also think in cases like these, there's more at play than a shooting based purely on conventional thinking.

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silversongwriter wrote:

Should the death penalty extend to the mentally ill.

Well... personally, I've always felt the death penalty is more humane than life in prison, and I'm sure life in a mental ward isn't much better.
And if someone kills for ridiculous reasons, they should never be let out. So to me, the death penalty is more humane than a meaningless life.

And insane/evil are two different things but can coexist. The girls who murdered their friend to summon slenderman for example. They're crazy to belive in slenderman, but they're also evil.
It'd be one thing if they killed her becuase they thought she was possessed by slenderman, or they thought killing her would prevent something like that.. but no.
Even taking their delusion into account, they not only killed, but with the purpose of summoning an evil monster... So if you take their delusions seriously, that means they're even worse.

I think if you can prove that someone is delusional, then judge them by their intentions. If their intentions were to do something bad, then I feel their insanity should be irrelevant.


While we are executing the mentally ill, we can execute the Jews too! (Sarcasm no offence intended)
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