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Ideals and Revolution.
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There are countless anime series that deal with revolution and dystopian societies.Many start out stating alleged lofty idealistic societal goals ,but soon break down into a very personal pragmatic struggle for everyday survival. (The little guy/gal is usually left starving and bleeding).What do you think? Can a revolutions ideals survive it's inception?
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Reminds me of Cuba's revolution back in 1959. To answer your question, yes they certainly can. One look at that resilient country will tell you. To this day they still uphold some of their ideals from then.
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Revolutions don't work, they usually start off with a good point to them, then the very people that started it usually lose sight of why they did it to begin with. Lets just say one thing, power corrupts people not everyone but a great deal of people. Often times after a revolution the people who rebelled often end up being just like the very people they rebelled against.
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PurpleDjango wrote:

Revolutions don't work, they usually start off with a good point to them, then the very people that started it usually lose sight of why they did it to begin with. Lets just say one thing, power corrupts people not everyone but a great deal of people. Often times after a revolution the people who rebelled often end up being just like the very people they rebelled against.


You do realize the very place you live is a product of one of the most known revolutions in history right? Though I agree with the rest.
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dotsforlife wrote:


PurpleDjango wrote:

Revolutions don't work, they usually start off with a good point to them, then the very people that started it usually lose sight of why they did it to begin with. Lets just say one thing, power corrupts people not everyone but a great deal of people. Often times after a revolution the people who rebelled often end up being just like the very people they rebelled against.


You do realize the very place you live is a product of one of the most known revolutions in history right? Though I agree with the rest.


Yes, but are we any different than the British are now? Besides the right to own guns.. that's about it..
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dotsforlife wrote:


PurpleDjango wrote:

Revolutions don't work, they usually start off with a good point to them, then the very people that started it usually lose sight of why they did it to begin with. Lets just say one thing, power corrupts people not everyone but a great deal of people. Often times after a revolution the people who rebelled often end up being just like the very people they rebelled against.


You do realize the very place you live is a product of one of the most known revolutions in history right? Though I agree with the rest.


Yes, but are we any different than the British are now? Besides the right to own guns.. that's about it..


Far different... every single country is. Go visit there sometime. I spent a month there shortly after high school before entering college. Granted this was about 10 years ago.
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Yea, I'll visit the UK someday maybe see if our country's are different or not.
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dotsforlife wrote:


PurpleDjango wrote:

Revolutions don't work, they usually start off with a good point to them, then the very people that started it usually lose sight of why they did it to begin with. Lets just say one thing, power corrupts people not everyone but a great deal of people. Often times after a revolution the people who rebelled often end up being just like the very people they rebelled against.


You do realize the very place you live is a product of one of the most known revolutions in history right? Though I agree with the rest.


Yes, but are we any different than the British are now? Besides the right to own guns.. that's about it..



Countries like Canada and the UK are a lot like America...basically, they became replicas of modern day America. So did Japan, pretty much. Japan is a unique country with rich old culture and history and has been around for a long time as a culture...and post WW II, Japan has become a very Americanized country over in Asia.

The point is, without America, who knows what the British Isles would be like today. Let us say Asians crossed the Pacific and started a new country in North America. Who knows what the British Isles would be like in that alternate universe. But America went on to influence other countries greatly, such as the UK, Canada, and Australia. Heck, the UK (I would say) has produced the most legends of rock and roll, but still, ultimately, the U.S. gave rock and roll to the world, and to the British.
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PurpleDjango wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:


PurpleDjango wrote:

Revolutions don't work, they usually start off with a good point to them, then the very people that started it usually lose sight of why they did it to begin with. Lets just say one thing, power corrupts people not everyone but a great deal of people. Often times after a revolution the people who rebelled often end up being just like the very people they rebelled against.


You do realize the very place you live is a product of one of the most known revolutions in history right? Though I agree with the rest.


Yes, but are we any different than the British are now? Besides the right to own guns.. that's about it..



Countries like Canada and the UK are a lot like America...basically, they became replicas of modern day America. So did Japan, pretty much. Japan is a unique country with rich old culture and history and has been around for a long time as a culture...and post WW II, Japan has become a very Americanized country over in Asia.


Capitalism is highly addictive obviously.
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I added some more to that post.
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I'm a realist but I don't cloud my realism in some BS psuedo-philosophy. I realize nothing in the world works perfectly nor will it ever will. Compromises must be made. Hypocrisy will exist. Ideals are fun for debate but you cant apply a sort of moral absolutism to real life.

That being said this is an anime forum so no matter what we say it will sound like a ton of potheads coming trying to sound "deep"
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PurpleDjango wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:


PurpleDjango wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:


PurpleDjango wrote:

Revolutions don't work, they usually start off with a good point to them, then the very people that started it usually lose sight of why they did it to begin with. Lets just say one thing, power corrupts people not everyone but a great deal of people. Often times after a revolution the people who rebelled often end up being just like the very people they rebelled against.


You do realize the very place you live is a product of one of the most known revolutions in history right? Though I agree with the rest.


Yes, but are we any different than the British are now? Besides the right to own guns.. that's about it..



Countries like Canada and the UK are a lot like America...basically, they became replicas of modern day America. So did Japan, pretty much. Japan is a unique country with rich old culture and history and has been around for a long time as a culture...and post WW II, Japan has become a very Americanized country over in Asia.


Capitalism is highly addictive obviously.



Well, America probably pushed capitalism; probably did all it could to make capitalism spread and flourish. But also, American culture replicating all around the world...that is what happens when you become the greatest super power in the world. Greatest in the sense of influence and being a country that many wanted to be inspired from. Although, plenty of people hate the U.S. for, among multiple reasons, seeing the U.S. and its own sense of culture replicating throughout the world in countries that have older history and used to stick to tradition and traditional ways for ages.
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Dubnoman wrote:


PurpleDjango wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:


PurpleDjango wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:


PurpleDjango wrote:

Revolutions don't work, they usually start off with a good point to them, then the very people that started it usually lose sight of why they did it to begin with. Lets just say one thing, power corrupts people not everyone but a great deal of people. Often times after a revolution the people who rebelled often end up being just like the very people they rebelled against.


You do realize the very place you live is a product of one of the most known revolutions in history right? Though I agree with the rest.


Yes, but are we any different than the British are now? Besides the right to own guns.. that's about it..



Countries like Canada and the UK are a lot like America...basically, they became replicas of modern day America. So did Japan, pretty much. Japan is a unique country with rich old culture and history and has been around for a long time as a culture...and post WW II, Japan has become a very Americanized country over in Asia.


Capitalism is highly addictive obviously.



Well, America probably pushed capitalism; probably did all it could to make capitalism spread and flourish. But also, American culture replicating all around the world...that is what happens when you become the greatest super power in the world. Greatest in the sense of influence and being a country that many wanted to be inspired from. Although, plenty of people hate the U.S. for, among multiple reasons, seeing the U.S. and its own sense of culture replicating throughout the world in countries that have older history and used to stick to tradition and traditional ways for ages.


If the United States never existed, then many inventors and other important people would not have been born, the world would be a completely different place.
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Fuck we got into the hypothetical shit.

To quote Immortal Technique
"You cant change the past but you can make the future"

Its important to recognize the mistakes of the past but you cant be talking about what you or your country could have done. It happened its fucked up and we should change it as best as why can know.
Posted 5/1/15

PurpleDjango wrote:

Revolutions don't work, they usually start off with a good point to them, then the very people that started it usually lose sight of why they did it to begin with. Lets just say one thing, power corrupts people not everyone but a great deal of people. Often times after a revolution the people who rebelled often end up being just like the very people they rebelled against.


It's not as simple as "power corrupts". People are the problem not "power". Everyone involved in a system had their own motives and thus a reason to hold hostage the very revolution that they support. So the "powerful" people have to pander first to the masses and then to the other "powerful" people. Even after all that some people will be against change at all.

corruption is sometime necessary just to get something done. One could go so far as to say that corruption is relative.
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