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Absolute Monarchy?!


I agree!



Yay! I thought my comment was stupid for a minute.


It's not stupid. IMO I believe this is the best type of government since people aren't ready to make their own decisions.
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Thank you.
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I want to be neutral.
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If you are interested in this topic, you should watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes :



It's a highly philosophical Space Opera which juggles between a few different types of governments :

A Corrupt Empire vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs Rebels who fight for the ideals of Democracy
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It is an 80's anime that draws inspiration from like 70's America and Japan, and then from like 1600's Austria. So there is a bit of racism and sexism in it.

For example, in the picture... Technically, the guy in the upper middle is Chinese while there rest of the characters are white. Yes, not anime Japanese, they are white as in caucasian, it's confirmed.
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That's just not true or sustainable. Education is free for the most part, you're basically paying to verify things you already know. Besides general education and what not. And what you don't know, you can get for free through the right channels...


Education is awfully expensive past high school, to the point of being ridiculous.


.and I'm not talking about Warez. Online education is being embraced in a big way. Some big name colleges are offering classes for free.


Except education doesn't start and end at lectures. How do you intend, for example, a would-be engineer to get practical ("hands-on") experience?


Also, while I can see you want nothing but the best for our country, and humanity in general. Economics is a waiting game...there will be ups and downs...but to say that everyone will loose their job to automation is hogwash.


I can agree that there will be plenty of jobs not taken over by automation. However, I'm skeptical that there will be an excess of jobs available for people. Even if a small portion of jobs are taken over automation, that's not sustainable. Especially since population growths exponentially more or less; job markets need to grow exponentially to keep pace. If automation is taking away some jobs; we need to identify what new jobs will take its place.

To more specific, what we need is the rate of change of 'sources' to be greater than the rate of change of 'sinks' such that the growth is greater than or equal to exponential growth on the order of human population growth (or, but more simply, for every human born there needs to be another job). Automation is just one such sink, along with say outsourcing, and I'm not seeing many new sources of jobs. Or if there are new sources, there's an obvious corresponding sink; green energy is becoming big (a source), but it'll downsize the oil industry (this a sink). Even if green energy provides an overall net gain in jobs (which it probably does), I'm not sure how big of a *net* source it is.


A more likely scenario is that the way work is done will change, and current employees will adapt by changing their skill set. So indeed, embracing automation is key. But I doubt it will lead to economy's T2.


Eh; they way how I see it is that there will still be some work available for the jobs that are still around; however, the societal safety net will need to improved to the extent that being unemployed is a realistic option. For example, the jobs that do remain will likely become increasingly specialized, so people will need to take extended period of times learning what they can about the job. Moreover, as I already indicated, I don't think that jobs will grow exponentially; if anything, I expect job growth to eventually stagnate. I'm not sure how we will (or if we can) incentivize people to contribute to society while living off welfare; but even so, that's they way I see it heading. The free market will still be there; it'll just be mostly luxurious goods at the exclusion of basic housing, basic clothing, and food; probably in the form of subsidization. I can only speculate how we would implement socialized housing; clothing would probably be handled similar to food stamps and both the hypothetical 'clothes stamps' program and food stamps will be expanded significantly.

If you want to convince such an extreme would not be necessary, I'd be interested in hearing what concrete sources of jobs you have in mind. Maybe my imagination is lacking, but I'm not seeing any obvious sources that aren't significantly (but perhaps only partially) mitigated by a corresponding sink.
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dictatorship with Jesus Christ as the dictator.
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xxJing wrote:

If you are interested in this topic, you should watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes :



It's a highly philosophical Space Opera which juggles between a few different types of governments :

A Corrupt Empire vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs Rebels who fight for the ideals of Democracy
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is an 80's anime that draws inspiration from like 70's America and Japan, and then from like 1600's Austria. So there is a bit of racism and sexism in it.

For example, in the picture... Technically, the guy in the upper middle is Chinese while there rest of the characters are white. Yes, not anime Japanese, they are white as in caucasian, it's confirmed.


Wait a minute that "Benevolent Dictatorship put down at least three revolutions violently during the series including an all out civil war.Oh and that's right ,there's the little thing about religious genocide and they routinely torture prisoners.Wacky fun.
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pirththee wrote:


xxJing wrote:

If you are interested in this topic, you should watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes :



It's a highly philosophical Space Opera which juggles between a few different types of governments :

A Corrupt Empire vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs Rebels who fight for the ideals of Democracy
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is an 80's anime that draws inspiration from like 70's America and Japan, and then from like 1600's Austria. So there is a bit of racism and sexism in it.

For example, in the picture... Technically, the guy in the upper middle is Chinese while there rest of the characters are white. Yes, not anime Japanese, they are white as in caucasian, it's confirmed.


Wait a minute that "Benevolent Dictatorship put down at least three revolutions violently during the series including an all out civil war.Oh and that's right ,there's the little thing about religious genocide and they routinely torture prisoners.Wacky fun.


It's benevolent to its citizens, not to its enemies.
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xxJing wrote:


pirththee wrote:


xxJing wrote:

If you are interested in this topic, you should watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes :



It's a highly philosophical Space Opera which juggles between a few different types of governments :

A Corrupt Empire vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs Rebels who fight for the ideals of Democracy
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is an 80's anime that draws inspiration from like 70's America and Japan, and then from like 1600's Austria. So there is a bit of racism and sexism in it.

For example, in the picture... Technically, the guy in the upper middle is Chinese while there rest of the characters are white. Yes, not anime Japanese, they are white as in caucasian, it's confirmed.


Wait a minute that "Benevolent Dictatorship put down at least three revolutions violently during the series including an all out civil war.Oh and that's right ,there's the little thing about religious genocide and they routinely torture prisoners.Wacky fun.


It's benevolent to its citizens, not to its enemies.


If it was so benevolent to it's citizens why did they rise up in civil war?Oh and how about Annerose? The old emperor sees a teenage girl and basically buys and abducts her for his concubine. Now that's a benefactor.You know I liked this series but I think you and I watched it in different parallel universes.
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pirththee wrote:


xxJing wrote:


pirththee wrote:


xxJing wrote:

If you are interested in this topic, you should watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes :



It's a highly philosophical Space Opera which juggles between a few different types of governments :

A Corrupt Empire vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs A Corrupt Democracy

A Benevolent Dictatorship vs Rebels who fight for the ideals of Democracy
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is an 80's anime that draws inspiration from like 70's America and Japan, and then from like 1600's Austria. So there is a bit of racism and sexism in it.

For example, in the picture... Technically, the guy in the upper middle is Chinese while there rest of the characters are white. Yes, not anime Japanese, they are white as in caucasian, it's confirmed.


Wait a minute that "Benevolent Dictatorship put down at least three revolutions violently during the series including an all out civil war.Oh and that's right ,there's the little thing about religious genocide and they routinely torture prisoners.Wacky fun.


It's benevolent to its citizens, not to its enemies.


If it was so benevolent to it's citizens why did they rise up in civil war?Oh and how about Annerose? The old emperor sees a teenage girl and basically buys and abducts her for his concubine. Now that's a benefactor.You know I liked think this series but I think you and I watched it in different parallel universes.


Actually I listed that as a Corrupt Empire in my original post. Reinhardt's regime is what I meant as the benevolent dictatorship.
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democracy isnt realistic a republic is.
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Zoraprime wrote:


pikohn wrote:

That's just not true or sustainable. Education is free for the most part, you're basically paying to verify things you already know. Besides general education and what not. And what you don't know, you can get for free through the right channels...


Education is awfully expensive past high school, to the point of being ridiculous.


.and I'm not talking about Warez. Online education is being embraced in a big way. Some big name colleges are offering classes for free.


Except education doesn't start and end at lectures. How do you intend, for example, a would-be engineer to get practical ("hands-on") experience?


Also, while I can see you want nothing but the best for our country, and humanity in general. Economics is a waiting game...there will be ups and downs...but to say that everyone will loose their job to automation is hogwash.


I can agree that there will be plenty of jobs not taken over by automation. However, I'm skeptical that there will be an excess of jobs available for people. Even if a small portion of jobs are taken over automation, that's not sustainable. Especially since population growths exponentially more or less; job markets need to grow exponentially to keep pace. If automation is taking away some jobs; we need to identify what new jobs will take its place.

To more specific, what we need is the rate of change of 'sources' to be greater than the rate of change of 'sinks' such that the growth is greater than or equal to exponential growth on the order of human population growth (or, but more simply, for every human born there needs to be another job). Automation is just one such sink, along with say outsourcing, and I'm not seeing many new sources of jobs. Or if there are new sources, there's an obvious corresponding sink; green energy is becoming big (a source), but it'll downsize the oil industry (this a sink). Even if green energy provides an overall net gain in jobs (which it probably does), I'm not sure how big of a *net* source it is.


A more likely scenario is that the way work is done will change, and current employees will adapt by changing their skill set. So indeed, embracing automation is key. But I doubt it will lead to economy's T2.


Eh; they way how I see it is that there will still be some work available for the jobs that are still around; however, the societal safety net will need to improved to the extent that being unemployed is a realistic option. For example, the jobs that do remain will likely become increasingly specialized, so people will need to take extended period of times learning what they can about the job. Moreover, as I already indicated, I don't think that jobs will grow exponentially; if anything, I expect job growth to eventually stagnate. I'm not sure how we will (or if we can) incentivize people to contribute to society while living off welfare; but even so, that's they way I see it heading. The free market will still be there; it'll just be mostly luxurious goods at the exclusion of basic housing, basic clothing, and food; probably in the form of subsidization. I can only speculate how we would implement socialized housing; clothing would probably be handled similar to food stamps and both the hypothetical 'clothes stamps' program and food stamps will be expanded significantly.

If you want to convince such an extreme would not be necessary, I'd be interested in hearing what concrete sources of jobs you have in mind. Maybe my imagination is lacking, but I'm not seeing any obvious sources that aren't significantly (but perhaps only partially) mitigated by a corresponding sink.


Your argument is well constructed and logical, I can definitely see that having a 1.0 or better ratio when it comes to people / jobs is important. I also can't argue with the fact that for every boon the economy may face, there's a 'sink' to take it down right around the corner. I can't give you any real-world examples to retort. Honestly, things like these usually do not cross my mind. Either from naivety, or simple-mindedness. Regardless, I don't know how we will overcome this in the future...but I seriously doubt we will stand by and watch while all we've worked for goes up and smoke. If the middle class were forced into poverty...political Armageddon would soon follow IMO.
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In my hardcore conservative days I would have said a combination between an absolute monarchy and a Catholic theocracy.
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pirththee wrote:

Socialism.


Agreed.

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HuastecoOtaku wrote:

In my hardcore conservative days I would have said a combination between an absolute monarchy and a Catholic theocracy.


Do you mean like Divine Right Monarchs?
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