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Posted 5/2/15 , edited 5/2/15

Khaltazar wrote:

Unemployment mainly comes from people being either (a) too lazy to work because the government will pay them to not work more than they would make if they worked, or (b) not taking a job because it is "beneath" them because they feel entitled to everything. Giving someone the choice you go into wouldn't solve unemployment at all. The government just needs to stop paying for people being too lazy and maybe they will get jobs. Then I don't have to be stuck paying 40% of my paycheck on people sitting at home watching TV.

My view is the government needs to step out of the work-force payroll and employees will get paid what they feel is worth it to them. Minus government aid and people WILL take low pay jobs, but they will quickly want to look for work elsewhere to make more and more all while getting more skills to get paid even more.


I agree with what you're saying, but there's not much anyone can do about people who exploit the welfare system, cutting it off would harm the people who are genuinely unemployed. I honestly don't think there is any process that can really eliminate lazy people who don't want to work. You'd have to feed them somehow, otherwise there is possibility of higher crime rate due to poverty.

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In my hardcore conservative days I would have said a combination between an absolute monarchy and a Catholic theocracy.


Do you mean like Divine Right Monarchs?


Yes, but the Church would be above the monarch, like in medieval Europe.
I left these ideas behind after realizing that it would be too similar to ISIS. Some of the traditional Catholics who believe in this sort of stuff beleive in the inprisonment of gays and other backward ideas.


Do you mean backward ideas like St Bartholomew Day?
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A small minority would agree with something like that today but most of them dislike the idea of religious freedom. Several groups left the Church after She declared that people are free to choose their religion. They refuse to accept Francis as Pope and consider him a modernist heretic.
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A small minority would agree with something like that today but most of them dislike the idea of religious freedom. Several groups left the Church after She declared that people are free to choose their religion. They refuse to accept Francis as Pope and consider him a modernist heretic.
I suspect many of the Jesuits might feel this way.

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The Jesuits are considered to be in the liberal side of the Church. How times have changed.

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The Jesuits are considered to be in the liberal side of the Church. How times have changed.







Yes, when
one considers their historic focus as "Defenders of the faith"

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Lassez-Faire capitalistic republic bound by constitution. Realistically any gov. bound by a constitution is not a terribly bad choice.
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I would create one day where ALL cookies are put on sale. In the US, of course.
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Idealistically, I would want some sort of government that is focused on individuals and individual's needs and goals. After people finish high school, they have the choice of going into 3 jobs of their choosing for 1 year, considering they've passed the aptitude tests for those 3 particular subjects. Then on the 2nd year, they get to pick the one that they enjoyed the most. And learn the extra theories and skills on the job.
This would allow people to get a feel of what they like doing and what they don't like doing, and which boss they get along with etc. Without wasting time studying for a degree, only to not be able to find a job for that field or... worse... found out they no longer enjoy that subject.
It would also add productivity to the workforce in general. And decrease unemployment after high school.

After 3 years of learning on the job, they would get a qualification and they would go to a higher income and start to pay more tax. And if they want to change jobs, then they would have to start from minimal wage again. But they would be able to get into a job immediately, and they don't need to have a "qualification" beforehand.


Unemployment mainly comes from people being either (a) too lazy to work because the government will pay them to not work more than they would make if they worked, or (b) not taking a job because it is "beneath" them because they feel entitled to everything. Giving someone the choice you go into wouldn't solve unemployment at all. The government just needs to stop paying for people being too lazy and maybe they will get jobs. Then I don't have to be stuck paying 40% of my paycheck on people sitting at home watching TV.

My view is the government needs to step out of the work-force payroll and employees will get paid what they feel is worth it to them. Minus government aid and people WILL take low pay jobs, but they will quickly want to look for work elsewhere to make more and more all while getting more skills to get paid even more.


Incorrect what you are referring to is the dole which is not something we have in America we have insurance against unemployment this is not the same thing since the insurance is only granted for only a six month period with extensions if available. Your logic is a person should take what ever job is offered to them this logic is flawed since there guy that has a degree in electrical engineering shouldn't be flipping burgers he should be doing work in his field. If it is drastically below your pay rate and outside your field why would you be applying for it? Would you take a 50 to 70% pay cut or more in some cases?

The second statement you make is also flawed what this creates is a race to the bottom. In which wages spiral downward since there are no protections at all in place to help the workers. I suggest you look at the period of time refer to as the gilded age, we operated pretty much as you are suggesting the workers got the short end of the stick every time. This is why we had the rise of the unions and labor laws.
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I shouldn't talk about my political views since i'd probably get arrested for it.

If you must know though, I feel that the way the world works now is broken, and the only way to fix it is to do some terrible things, without revolution, there can be no new world, and without a new world we can't fix what the previous generations broke.

It's highly likely that what I'm saying is we need a war before we can make the world peaceful but like I said, if I said the real things I would do i'd probably get arrested.
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There is no current existing system of governing that works completely, they all have their failures. The biggest issue with modern politics would be that the short-term in office promotes a very near-sighted approach. Long-term policies are generally neglected for fear of benefiting future controlling parties. This has disastrous economic consequences. There are too many external factors influencing these decisions. Perhaps THE most fundamental flaw of modern systems is the preference of output over efficiency, the degree of wastage within large corporations is unfathomable. The issues aren't just in the means but also in the goals themselves, the system itself is broken and no longer works; and as leisure time increases due to rapidly increasing automation of services the flaws will expose themselves more and more due to increased unemployment and other negative social factors.

Just my take on it
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I shouldn't talk about my political views since i'd probably get arrested for it.

If you must know though, I feel that the way the world works now is broken, and the only way to fix it is to do some terrible things, without revolution, there can be no new world, and without a new world we can't fix what the previous generations broke.

It's highly likely that what I'm saying is we need a war before we can make the world peaceful but like I said, if I said the real things I would do i'd probably get arrested.


You know, I am surprisingly with the same mindset.

Of course the thought runs in line with - we can always improve from our current status. Which in all honesty from a global perspective, its pretty crap. For anyone reading this I do not mean any one country, so do not confuse this with a specific state.

My personal opinion is that we have to weed out the differences in vast opinion. When I mean weed, I mean separate the societies. So much unrest occurs because of major and minor differences.

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shadstar wrote:

I shouldn't talk about my political views since i'd probably get arrested for it.

If you must know though, I feel that the way the world works now is broken, and the only way to fix it is to do some terrible things, without revolution, there can be no new world, and without a new world we can't fix what the previous generations broke.

It's highly likely that what I'm saying is we need a war before we can make the world peaceful but like I said, if I said the real things I would do i'd probably get arrested.


You know, I am surprisingly with the same mindset.

Of course the thought runs in line with - we can always improve from our current status. Which in all honesty from a global perspective, its pretty crap. For anyone reading this I do not mean any one country, so do not confuse this with a specific state.

My personal opinion is that we have to weed out the differences in vast opinion. When I mean weed, I mean separate the societies. So much unrest occurs because of major and minor differences.



Difference of opinion comes with the territory of freedom of speech, trying to weed out peoples thoughts is a dangerous game that can negate real progress within humanity. We just need to better educate ourselves so that more people are capable of critical thinking. Too many people lack the education and means to practice this oh-so important mechanism.
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Social Democracy with a strong dose of secular humanism.
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