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Moonhawk, if you don't understand what legality of "sovereign" and "citizen", then it's best that you try not to mislead others.

@Blueoni, it's best to not judge/assess/decide on things you learned about this very day.

@gvblackmoon, the very first line proves that you have limited knowledge on the subject. Much like Moonhawk, you studying should precede assessments.

There is nothing of value gained from words of a non civilian(Skilled in law).

There is much to gained from studying, if you want to be wards/cattle, that's entirely fine, but it becomes an act of evil when you attempt to bring people into the darkness with you. >.>
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You can't change the world, no one can. All you could do IS FIGHT BACK!!!! - Death Parade

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Magical-Soul wrote:

Moonhawk, if you don't understand what legality of "sovereign" and "citizen", then it's best that you try not to mislead others.

@Blueoni, it's best to not judge/assess/decide on things you learned about this very day.

@gvblackmoon, the very first line proves that you have limited knowledge on the subject. Much like Moonhawk, you studying should precede assessments.

There is nothing of value gained from words of a non civilian(Skilled in law).

There is much to gained from studying, if you want to be wards/cattle, that's entirely fine, but it becomes an act of evil when you attempt to bring people into the darkness with you. >.>


Buddy, I cited my chapters and verses.
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pikohn wrote:

I don't hate the government...I've just chosen to let go of things that are beyond my power to change. Depending on what side you lay on (civilian or official), the more you let government into your life...the harder it will become. I'm speaking from experience... just try not keeping up with politics...and enjoying life around you...it's liberating.

This this is why our government is getting worse not better. George Washington said " The day the people stop caring is the day this country stops working" Unfortunately when people take your view point we lose more power that is suppose to be the people. This is a democracy, it is suppose to be the will of the people. But when they say I don't care that's when it stops working.



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Amaya- wrote:

History shows us that nothing is ever solved by violence. In the event a coup is successful and a new government is established, resentment and hatred begin to brew among the oppressed, sometimes building up for decades. The Baltimore Riots are a shorter-term example of this. When a community feels oppressed for generations it is never forgotten, and it is like a thirst that cannot be quenched by vengeance. What those rioters did was in vain.


What you do realize that the Baltimore riots were successful in getting the accused cops arrested and tried for the crimes. Im not going to sit here and pretend that peaceful protest will always work.

Its like using physical punishment on your child. We like to pretend its not effective but it really is. If you ask nicely for your child to stop hitting other kids and your child refuses, then you ask again and they still refuse, etc I wont blame you for getting frustrated and smacking them to teach them not to do it. Thats what happened in Baltimore peaceful protest didn't work so Im not going to blame people for rioting to prove a point and guess what it was successful and got results. The problem is the american government not responding to peaceful protests so there only left with the option to riot.

Also "history has shown us that nothing is ever solved by violence"
>Being this Naive

Yes because the property damage, injuries, and looting was completely okay.
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Magical-Soul wrote:

Moonhawk, if you don't understand what legality of "sovereign" and "citizen", then it's best that you try not to mislead others.

@Blueoni, it's best to not judge/assess/decide on things you learned about this very day.

@gvblackmoon, the very first line proves that you have limited knowledge on the subject. Much like Moonhawk, you studying should precede assessments.

There is nothing of value gained from words of a non civilian(Skilled in law).

There is much to gained from studying, if you want to be wards/cattle, that's entirely fine, but it becomes an act of evil when you attempt to bring people into the darkness with you. >.>


Buddy, I cited my chapters and verses.


Now if only you understood them.
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megahobbit wrote:

What you do realize that the Baltimore riots were successful in getting the accused cops arrested and tried for the crimes. Im not going to sit here and pretend that peaceful protest will always work.

Its like using physical punishment on your child. We like to pretend its not effective but it really is. If you ask nicely for your child to stop hitting other kids and your child refuses, then you ask again and they still refuse, etc I wont blame you for getting frustrated and smacking them to teach them not to do it. Thats what happened in Baltimore peaceful protest didn't work so Im not going to blame people for rioting to prove a point and guess what it was successful and got results. The problem is the american government not responding to peaceful protests so there only left with the option to riot.

Also "history has shown us that nothing is ever solved by violence"
>Being this Naive

Yes because the property damage, injuries, and looting was completely okay.


If its the only remaining option available I have no problem with it. The LGBT movement as we know it today formed out of the stonewall riots.

Also I see no problem with looting and destroying business that encroached and destroyed local African American owned businesses.
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Magical-Soul wrote:

Moonhawk, if you don't understand what legality of "sovereign" and "citizen", then it's best that you try not to mislead others.

@Blueoni, it's best to not judge/assess/decide on things you learned about this very day.

@gvblackmoon, the very first line proves that you have limited knowledge on the subject. Much like Moonhawk, you studying should precede assessments.

There is nothing of value gained from words of a non civilian(Skilled in law).

There is much to gained from studying, if you want to be wards/cattle, that's entirely fine, but it becomes an act of evil when you attempt to bring people into the darkness with you. >.>


What you are doing is a false lien that is the legal term for it. It is a lien against a person that has no legal basis this form of lien is a favorite means of harassing government officials by those in the Sovereign citizens movement. This form of harassment is illegal at both the state and federal level. So if you want to go to jail or be sued and lose fine you can do that.

This article pertains to your home state of Texas when dealing with False liens.
http://www.fortworthinjurylawyer-blog.com/2012/10/liability-in-texas-for-filing-a-fraudulent-court-record-or-fraudulent-lien-against-real-or-personal.html

This is the federal code on false liens.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/73/1521

This is the State of Texas legal code for a false lien.
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CP/htm/CP.12.htm

This is a link to your States Bar please find an attorney and consult them before you do something that will ruin your life. No really go talk to one and find out you are in the wrong.
http://texasbar.com/

It is abundantly clear you have no understanding of the legal system and what you are doing this is why I have advised you twice now to seek legal advice on this matter. Go talk to an attorney or better yet if you want to do this get the degree.
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Now if only you understood them.


Oh, do explain them to me.
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megahobbit wrote:


fireknight10 wrote:



megahobbit wrote:

What you do realize that the Baltimore riots were successful in getting the accused cops arrested and tried for the crimes. Im not going to sit here and pretend that peaceful protest will always work.

Its like using physical punishment on your child. We like to pretend its not effective but it really is. If you ask nicely for your child to stop hitting other kids and your child refuses, then you ask again and they still refuse, etc I wont blame you for getting frustrated and smacking them to teach them not to do it. Thats what happened in Baltimore peaceful protest didn't work so Im not going to blame people for rioting to prove a point and guess what it was successful and got results. The problem is the american government not responding to peaceful protests so there only left with the option to riot.

Also "history has shown us that nothing is ever solved by violence"
>Being this Naive

Yes because the property damage, injuries, and looting was completely okay.


If its the only remaining option available I have no problem with it. The LGBT movement as we know it today formed out of the stonewall riots.

Also I see no problem with looting and destroying business that encroached and destroyed local African American owned businesses.


Yes because violence is the only answer, the french thought so too. They got the French revolution which was on a whole a failure. Further the school and retirement home that burned where a part of the businesses that encroached on African American owned business? I thought they were just more buildings destroyed in senseless violence that even the family of the deceased man disapproved of. There is a point where revolution is sometimes necessary, however we have not reached that point. I only fear what people who think terrorism is a good way to change the country will do.
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Magical-Soul wrote:

Moonhawk, if you don't understand what legality of "sovereign" and "citizen", then it's best that you try not to mislead others.

@Blueoni, it's best to not judge/assess/decide on things you learned about this very day.

@gvblackmoon, the very first line proves that you have limited knowledge on the subject. Much like Moonhawk, you studying should precede assessments.

There is nothing of value gained from words of a non civilian(Skilled in law).

There is much to gained from studying, if you want to be wards/cattle, that's entirely fine, but it becomes an act of evil when you attempt to bring people into the darkness with you. >.>


What you are doing is a false lien that is the legal term for it. It is a lien against a person that has no legal basis this form of lien is a favorite means of harassing government officials by those in the Sovereign citizens movement. This form of harassment is illegal at both the state and federal level. So if you want to go to jail or be sued and lose fine you can do that.

This article pertains to your home state of Texas when dealing with False liens.
http://www.fortworthinjurylawyer-blog.com/2012/10/liability-in-texas-for-filing-a-fraudulent-court-record-or-fraudulent-lien-against-real-or-personal.html

This is the federal code on false liens.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/73/1521

This is the State of Texas legal code for a false lien.
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CP/htm/CP.12.htm

This is a link to your States Bar please find an attorney and consult them before you do something that will ruin your life. No really go talk to one and find out you are in the wrong.
http://texasbar.com/

It is abundantly clear you have no understanding of the legal system and what you are doing this is why I have advised you twice now to seek legal advice on this matter. Go talk to an attorney or better yet if you want o be legal go get the degree yourself.


You've spent absolutely no time studying between this reply and the last


"Texas" isn't a physical place where rules apply to human beings, you're not ready to take discussions further until you really understand, inner stand and over stand what you're saying.

You're using "Texas", "State" interchangeably and you haven't even opened a law dictionary.

What I can suggest to everyone reading is that you stop regurgitating Google search results and buzzwords and get a law dictionary, bouvier and "Black's Law 3rd/4th Edition", after you obtain a legitimate law dictionary, you need to get ahold of a English Oxford unabridged, once you have those two, you can opt for additional American heritage and English-Latin dictionary to break things down further rather than just Etymology and contemporary connotations.

In Moorish(not sovereign citizen culture, it's pretty much a given that they absolutely all have libraries in their homes, very much like a kitchen and a bathroom, everyone had one. It's unfortunate that the sorcerers effectively killed this part of Moorish culture as any Moor, "sovereign city", Magistrate, Queen of England or Inquisition could clearly tell approximate which users have and have not ever seen a law dictionary but use the terms as if they're familiar with them.

If you even finished reading this post, I'll be surprised, as I expect your belief system to malfunction this far along.

Basically. Stop telling me what I'm doing or what anyone else does, is, because the chances of you knowing law or history is pretty 0%. So please speak more along what you know, versus what you think/believe.
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Yes because violence is the only answer, the french thought so too. They got the French revolution which was on a whole a failure. Further the school and retirement home that burned where a part of the businesses that encroached on African American owned business? I thought they were just more buildings destroyed in senseless violence that even the family of the deceased man disapproved of. There is a point where revolution is sometimes necessary, however we have not reached that point. I only fear what people who think terrorism is a good way to change the country will do.


First off the fire that destroyed the school and retirement home was not related to the looting.
https://twitter.com/petersuderman/status/592870618799874048/photo/1

Secondly thinking this is solely about Freddie Grey is a misnomer this is about many different things from the other African Americans killed by cops, to the huge poverty in Baltimore, to nearly 100 incidents of Police Brutality against African Americans being paid out in court in the past couple of years in Baltimore.
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I am using the term state correctly as defined by Blacks law, which defines the state as the following.


A body politic, or society of men united together for the purpose of promoting their mutual safety and advantage, by the joint efforts of their combined strength. Cooley, Const. Lim. 1. One of the component commonwealths or states of the United States of America. The people of a state, in their collective capacity, considered as the party wronged by a criminal deed; the public; as in the title of a cause. "The State vs. A. B." The section of territory occupied by one of the United States.

This means the commonwealth of Texas and the laws governing those residing there in. As defined by the boards there in so it is a physical place. Those within it are governed by the laws of that state. Now I will pose a question and provide the answer to either the before answer or the after answer. This is to show why you are incorrect in how you are using the law.

Are you filing the lien before or after a judgment is rendered?

If you answer Before: If you are filing the lien before a judgment is rendered you are filing a false lien. A lien is only used after judgment as which to collect moneys owed.

If you answer After: If you are filing the lien after judgment has been rendered you are doing it correctly.

A lien is used to seek restitution if a debt is owed as you stated you are not owed a debt if a police office arrest or tickets you. That as defined by Texas state law and Federal law is a false lien. Is that clear enough for you young lady?


Moorish is sovereign citizen by another name. They use common law though I can see where it get confusing but both are the same movement.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2011/fall/-sovereigns-in-black

So you can go to jail if you wish I am just warning everyone else that this is a bad idea and doesn't work as I have already pointed out now once.
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I fight the law and the corrupt government by sitting in my house and playing video games. I will not be a productive member of this damn society created by these damn governments while we lie, cheat, and steal to get "money". I will leech off the world until I die a slow and horrible death with millions in debt to all these corrupt companies who back these corrupt governments, you will not get a single red cent from me! Fight the POWER! Dear, NSA TSA FIB FBI CIA NBA NFL MLB MLG WWE any other three letter lap dog to the governments I will fight until the end!!
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I am using the term state correctly as defined by Blacks law, which defines the state as the following.


I thought I told you to use Bouvier's or Black Law's 3rd or 4th editions? It's these two editions specifically that are the authority on Law, Bouvier's is first, Black's Law 3rd and 4th are second.



A body politic, or society of men united together for the purpose of promoting their mutual safety and advantage, by the joint efforts of their combined strength. Cooley, Const. Lim. 1. One of the component commonwealths or states of the United States of America. The people of a state, in their collective capacity, considered as the party wronged by a criminal deed; the public; as in the title of a cause. "The State vs. A. B." The section of territory occupied by one of the United States. End definition

This means the commonwealth of Texas and the laws governing those residing there in. As defined by the boards there in so it is a physical place. Those within it are governed by the laws of that state. Now I will pose a question and provide the answer to either the before answer or the after answer. This is to show why you are incorrect in how you are using the law.


Firstly, that definition isn't wrong, but it's not complete, by "United States" they mean the people. NOT the entity that calls itself the "U.S Government" The only thing that references the government are "UNITED STATES" "U.S", etc. All uppercase names and "U.S" Abbreviations are the only things referencing the entity that calls itself the government.

You said "this means" whenever it meant exactly what it stated. No where does it state "Those residing inside must abide by rules set up by it's government" But governments obviously don't make laws, all civilians know that, but U.S Citizens wouldn't,

If you're wondering, here's the actual lawful definition:



What's "better" about mine than yours? You'll notice my definition actually has case references to Supreme Court case rulings. Towards the end you'll see where the term is sometimes applied, but the case ruling isn't for what state's statutes declare.

To make it clear as day, "State" means the people, like me and you. It's not reserved to reference the government as the government is the people, or it's supposed to be. "Officials" mean elected, not hired.


Are you filing the lien before or after a judgment is rendered?


After.


If you answer Before: If you are filing the lien before a judgment is rendered you are filing a false lien. A lien is only used after judgment as which to collect moneys owed.


Of course, a judgement can be made by either party, whenever you set a court date, and the opposing party doesn't show/abandons the court room, you say they have abandoned and you say case dismissed on record, whether in writing or on video. Any way to record it.

ONLY if you're in propria persona can you take control of a court room, but you should know what that is if you're talking about jail time. I don't need to explain that.



Moorish is sovereign citizen by another name. They use common law though I can see where it get confusing but both are the same movement.


Moorish/Moor/Morrocan/Moabite is a nationality. They're the group of people that founded America(Al-morroc) and Amexem before it. They're the mothers and fathers of civilization.



So you can go to jail if you wish I am just warning everyone else that this is a bad idea and doesn't work as I have already pointed out now once.


This might sound really rude, but no one who actually knows law is going to listen to you, and people who don't know law aren't going to listen to me.

See a pattern here? It's not hard to get Bouvier's or Black's Law 3rd/4th edition, it's also not hard to understand that U.S. Codes and Ordinances/Statutes aren't "laws" but they are what they say they are, "codes". We all know those only apply to those who want to be in servitude to the U.S corporation.

Now, for any other exposition on law/legal, please ask. This isn't necessarily for this one person, but for educational purposes.

EDIT: This post was a home run! Best one I ever posted!
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Magical-Soul wrote:

Moonhawk, if you don't understand what legality of "sovereign" and "citizen", then it's best that you try not to mislead others.

@Blueoni, it's best to not judge/assess/decide on things you learned about this very day.

@gvblackmoon, the very first line proves that you have limited knowledge on the subject. Much like Moonhawk, you studying should precede assessments.

There is nothing of value gained from words of a non civilian(Skilled in law).

There is much to gained from studying, if you want to be wards/cattle, that's entirely fine, but it becomes an act of evil when you attempt to bring people into the darkness with you. >.>


Where I am from, corruption is everywhere, in many different ways.

Here are some of em'.

Code enforcement - Uses citations for their own gain (To force people to move, if you don't pay your citations they can auctions off your house)

Police Department - Works as a 'attack dog' for many different corrupted agency's, they also hold a grudge against my family for some reason. They often use break the law to enforce the law, they count on your ignorance to work for them.

Fire Department - Part of code enforcement

Justice Department - I've seen sons of judges commit felony's and not get charged, and multiple times at that.

I will do my best to fight this injustice, by using the law to my advantage, if internal affairs won't do it I will.
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