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Shoud it be legal to conduct a Sati ritual?
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Let's say I wanna conduct a hindu funeral.

Now, everyone at this funeral is in agreement including the wife. She consents to leaping into the funeral pyre and dying along with her deceased husband in the name of ancient hindu tradition. This practice was known as Sati.
Now, if the woman is over 18 and consents... do you feel I should be able to lease out a public area, conduct the funeral services, and allow this woman to leap into the flames in a public area... As fucked up as it sounds

In 1987, the sati prevention act was passed to enforce previous bans on the practice dating since the 1800s... and notice how the bans were put in place by British colonialist. Does that make such bans, not only facist, but acts of colonial dictatorship?

As long as the woman is not forced into the fire, isn't it wrong to make the practice illegal. Would it not be in violation of the concept of freedom of religion. Now, I'm sure they don't have a constitution like ours... but I'm willing to bet, if you went to a cemetery and conducted a Sati ritual, you'd get in some trouble.

I mean... Let's say, I have a cult, and we all wanna join hands and jump off a building at the strike of midnight, so we wait there at the edge the whole time until midnight...
Well... isn't it in violation of our freedom for the cops to be surrounding the place and the fire fighters coming with their big sheets to stop us. Since we aren't harming others.

In that case, wouldn't legislature to stop practices such as Saki, or self-mummification, or cult suicide in fact be... facist legislation, as it is taking freedom from those who consent to doing something to themselves.
Posted 5/4/15
Lol please dont
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AiYumega wrote:

Lol please dont


I'm not saying Sati is a good thing... but isn't it facism to tell someone they can't conduct it. Doesn't that violate the first ammendment?
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AiYumega wrote:

Lol please dont


I'm not saying Sati is a good thing... but isn't it facism to tell someone they can't conduct it. Doesn't that violate the first ammendment?


First ammendment? Remember India is not in the USA.

If you want to play the part of a widow and throw yourself on a fire, that's up to you.

Oh on the jumping off a building bit. You may harm even kill people who are on the ground passing by minding their own business. Any thing falling at a speed can cause harm even a body. What about other people's rights not to be harmed physically or psychologically from seeing falling and broken bodies?
Posted 5/4/15

silversongwriter wrote:


AiYumega wrote:

Lol please dont


I'm not saying Sati is a good thing... but isn't it facism to tell someone they can't conduct it. Doesn't that violate the first ammendment?


It's banned actually, and it's archaic and sexist to make women feel like their only worth is through their husbands and when they die....well...
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tkayt wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


AiYumega wrote:

Lol please dont


I'm not saying Sati is a good thing... but isn't it facism to tell someone they can't conduct it. Doesn't that violate the first ammendment?


First ammendment? Remember India is not in the USA.

If you want to play the part of a widow and throw yourself on a fire, that's up to you.


I'm not sure that would even fly in America?

I mean, nobody has tried it, but there are laws against suicide in this country. In some states it's a felony to aid in suicide... which shows how "free" we are.
We all know what happened to Kevorkian
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AiYumega wrote:

It's banned actually, and it's archaic and sexist to make women feel like their only worth is through their husbands and when they die....well...


Yea.. but to make the practice illegal is to rob those woman of the freedom to practice the traditions they wish to practice.

Just like armin meiwes who killed and ate another man. Messages sent back and forth prove the murder and cannibalism were consentual, yet he was stull charged with murder... I call that fascist.
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silversongwriter wrote:

Let's say I wanna conduct a hindu funeral.


Sure, let's, it's less loopy than most of the questions you've asked in the last week.
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silversongwriter wrote:

Let's say I wanna conduct a hindu funeral.


Sure, let's, it's less loopy than most of the questions you've asked in the last week.


Should I have talked about this guy instead?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

The same message applies, he's spending life in prison for doing something consensual. A victim of a fascist legal system.
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You have an interesting definition of Fascist.
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Seeing as the first amendment only applies to the U.S. I'm going to ignore that part.

In cases of suicide, it is deemed that one isn't of sane mind. Thus they cannot effectively consent to anything.
That's why people can be institutionalized against their will. Until they are stable and released. This would apply to Sati, mass and/or cult suicides. The wife/cult members would be considered unstable, unable to fully understand the situation and unable to consent to the ritual.

Aiding in suicide could get you charged with manslaughter and possibly murder.
Also, you may get charged with improper disposal of human remains. Or other charges for the burning of bodies not ordered by a coroner and then proceeded by funeral director.

I'm not a legal expert. So I don't know the full extent of laws and charges related to assisting in nonphysician assisted suicides.
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Wait this is bait right.....


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Goddamn, now I remember why I blocked you.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

You have an interesting definition of Fascist.


Okay, it might not fit the definition of "fascism", but I have a simple view...

Fuck any form of freedom that's not as simple as, "As long as you don't directly harm others, your actions should be legal" and "any action done to another adult with consent should be legal", then it's fascist/communist/authoritarian/totalitarian/whatever....

What those words mean in actuality are irrelevant. Either we have the freedom to decide to do whatever we want to ourselves without harming others, or we don't have freedom. And if someone gets in the way of freedom they're the enemy.

And yes.. If a cop stops a man who is trying to attempt suicide, he should not interfere, unless he needs to interogate him, or else he's violating his freedom.
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Stone age shit like that has no place in the world today.
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