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Can/should religion destroy families?
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Posted 5/5/15

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Can it? Yes.
Should it? No.


The way I see it, a truely strong family wouldn't be torn apart by religion. And if a families bonds are weak, it should be torn apart regardless


I think the strength of bonds can fluctuate. After all, people change and people are not strong. Bonds can grow weaker or stronger. Those that have their bonds broken are unfortunate but wishing for a family to be broken apart simply because it isn't as cohesive at one point in time as another family is probably bad.
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Morbidhanson wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


xeneria wrote:

Can it? Yes.
Should it? No.


The way I see it, a truely strong family wouldn't be torn apart by religion. And if a families bonds are weak, it should be torn apart regardless


I think the strength of bonds can fluctuate. After all, people change and people are not strong. Bonds can grow weaker or stronger. Those that have their bonds broken are unfortunate but wishing for a family to be broken apart simply because it isn't as cohesive at one point in time as another family is probably bad.


If they're a strong family, they would find a way to work it out and nobody would be disowned. In the end it's up to them. If they can't learn to look past certain things, it's best they don't associate with one another
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Posted 5/5/15

silversongwriter wrote:


xeneria wrote:

Can it? Yes.
Should it? No.


The way I see it, a truely strong family wouldn't be torn apart by religion. And if a families bonds are weak, it should be torn apart regardless


Seems like to answer this queston, we need to also answer the one about what a family is.
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Posted 5/5/15 , edited 5/5/15

silversongwriter wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


xeneria wrote:

Can it? Yes.
Should it? No.


The way I see it, a truely strong family wouldn't be torn apart by religion. And if a families bonds are weak, it should be torn apart regardless


I think the strength of bonds can fluctuate. After all, people change and people are not strong. Bonds can grow weaker or stronger. Those that have their bonds broken are unfortunate but wishing for a family to be broken apart simply because it isn't as cohesive at one point in time as another family is probably bad.


If they're a strong family, they would find a way to work it out and nobody would be disowned. In the end it's up to them. If they can't learn to look past certain things, it's best they don't associate with one another


People are innately weak, in my opinion, although they are capable of great feats sometimes. But strength is less enduring than weakness, since everything has the tendency to degrade rather than improve.

A strong family is one with members who love and support one another. But, in my view, love is not permanent and emotions are fickle. A family that has a strong bond one day may find itself in a different circumstance in another. The strength of people and their emotions is not, in my view, reliable. Just as family members that constantly bicker can become closer to each other and more understanding over time, family members that love one another can come to hate one another over time. It's fluid and immeasurable, so I would not wish for any family to be broken apart. If a family just so happens to fall apart, that's too bad. But I would not wish it upon any family unless the situation is so dire that more harm comes from remaining a family than good.
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Posted 5/5/15

xeneria wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


xeneria wrote:

Can it? Yes.
Should it? No.


The way I see it, a truely strong family wouldn't be torn apart by religion. And if a families bonds are weak, it should be torn apart regardless


Seems like to answer this queston, we need to also answer the one about what a family is.


To me a family is a group of people who love each other no matter what... Regardless of whether they came from the same genes
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People are innately weak, in my opinion, although they are capable of great feats sometimes. But strength is less enduring than weakness, since everything has the tendency to degrade rather than improve.

A strong family is one with members who love and support one another. But, in my view, love is not permanent and emotions are fickle. A family that has a strong bond one day may find itself in a different circumstance in another. The strength of people and their emotions is not, in my view, reliable. Just as family members that constantly bicker can become closer to each other and more understanding over time, family members that love one another can come to hate one another over time. It's fluid and immeasurable, so I would not wish for any family to be broken apart. If a family just so happens to fall apart, that's too bad. But I would not wish it upon any family unless the situation is so dire that more harm comes from remaining a family than good.


I agree, people are weak. That's why we form friendships and family bonds. And issues like differences in opinions/views/religion/lifestyle are nessasary to test those bonds. If you can't keep the fire going, then the only thing that makes sense is to put it out now. In the end, a family will never break apart unless it allows itself to
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Pretty ridiculous troll... Go to a church and say you want to be a christian, but you cant because family/friends are terrible influences and make it to hard to stay on the path. They will wholeheartedly suggest leaving them behind and setting an example so they change.. That is for all purposes destroying families over fairy tales. It happens almost everyday im sure especially where i grew up in the south... And you seem to think that families are just naturally strong units who love each other, that is also incorrect, some families probably should dissolve but a lot of them would be much better off without the interference of the church and brain dead religious fools who are so dense they devout entire lives wasting time on said fairy tales. Even the best of friends can easily have a wedge driven between them by dangling eternal damnation in front of the stupider one...
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Pretty ridiculous troll... Go to a church and say you want to be a christian, but you cant because family/friends are terrible influences and make it to hard to stay on the path. They will wholeheartedly suggest leaving them behind and setting an example so they change.. That is for all purposes destroying families over fairy tales. It happens almost everyday im sure especially where i grew up in the south... And you seem to think that families are just naturally strong units who love each other, that is also incorrect, some families probably should dissolve but a lot of them would be much better off without the interference of the church and brain dead religious fools who are so dense they devout entire lives wasting time on said fairy tales. Even the best of friends can easily have a wedge driven between them by dangling eternal damnation in front of the stupider one...



I don't know what churches you've been to but what the Bible says overtakes anything that a church says.
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Personally... I have a unique answer... it can't, and it should. Let me explain

If you come out to your parents and they disown you, then they most likely never really loved you to begin with. Same as if you married someone of another race/religion. Your parents have every right to kick you out, and there's no legal obligation for them to continue loving you... However, people sin all the time, and their families don't kick them out. Religion shouldn't really be blamed.
If religion was responsible, then kids would be disowned over any sin. Homophobia is a product of wisdom of repugnance and natural visceral disgust. If it were just religion then homosexuality would be treated as just another sin. But it isn't. And plus, why was it listed as a sin in the first place if the bible was written by man? Obviously homophobia predates religion.

But should your family dissolve over religious issues? Yes... because if religion can destroy your family, your bonds were weak to begin with. The love you had all these years was fake, and is irrelevant now...
What you should do is declare your family dead... And keep them that way.
Stop loving your parents/grandparents/brothers/sisters/kids if they can't accept you. And don't come crawling back 10 years later with your partner asking for acceptance... And don't let them come back to apologize... just declare them dead in your heart and pretend they are dead in reality.

In a way, religion didn't kill your family, it just showed you that the love you felt was fake and your family should be disolved. You should thank religion for showing you that your family was worthless to begin with.

Rememeber... Blood is nothing but a red liquid that turns into a black sticky mess after being left out... You shouldn't love your mom for giving birth to you, you should love her for taking care of you.


Sounds like you had a lot on your mind. This sounds a lot like spite and angst though.
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silversongwriter wrote:

Personally... I have a unique answer... it can't, and it should. Let me explain

If you come out to your parents and they disown you, then they most likely never really loved you to begin with. Same as if you married someone of another race/religion. Your parents have every right to kick you out, and there's no legal obligation for them to continue loving you... However, people sin all the time, and their families don't kick them out. Religion shouldn't really be blamed.
If religion was responsible, then kids would be disowned over any sin. Homophobia is a product of wisdom of repugnance and natural visceral disgust. If it were just religion then homosexuality would be treated as just another sin. But it isn't. And plus, why was it listed as a sin in the first place if the bible was written by man? Obviously homophobia predates religion.

But should your family dissolve over religious issues? Yes... because if religion can destroy your family, your bonds were weak to begin with. The love you had all these years was fake, and is irrelevant now...
What you should do is declare your family dead... And keep them that way.
Stop loving your parents/grandparents/brothers/sisters/kids if they can't accept you. And don't come crawling back 10 years later with your partner asking for acceptance... And don't let them come back to apologize... just declare them dead in your heart and pretend they are dead in reality.

In a way, religion didn't kill your family, it just showed you that the love you felt was fake and your family should be disolved. You should thank religion for showing you that your family was worthless to begin with.

Rememeber... Blood is nothing but a red liquid that turns into a black sticky mess after being left out... You shouldn't love your mom for giving birth to you, you should love her for taking care of you.


Sounds like you had a lot on your mind. This sounds a lot like spite and angst though.


Spite? Nah... Angst maybe. Since people foolishly tolerate and love others who abuse them, simply over something as trivial as blood bonds and genes.
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i think your idea is interesting, but i'm going to call a spade a spade... and say the main cause is religion for dissolution of families.

before i came to australia, i've never even heard of parents "disowning" their children. so it was a shock to read worldwide news, and discover that in certain parts of the world (where people are extremely religious), they actually "disown" their children for being a particular sexuality.


i personally think, people who are very religious can be affected by the news of their child being not straight. as that is clear in their holy books that it's wrong. and they believe those words are the words of their god(s).

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But to be fair, even for non-religious people, when discovering their child wants to be the opposite gender, they still get shocked and whatnot. i think the mentality for these parents is that... they just want their children to be normal like everyone else. so the news that their child is no longer normal according to society "upset" or shock them.

it doesn't matter how strong one's bond is. if one's way of living is affected by the result of something deviating from the norm, then one can easily become deranged and act inappropriately towards that deviation. such as wanting to reverse that deviation's way of living and this can result in anger, hatred and arguments.
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Assumptions are bad, mmkay.
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Okay seriously this thread is offensive on a basic level and is purely designed to get a rise out of people and cause arguments. Sorry you don't pass go or collect 200 today.

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