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Capitalism is far from a necessity. In fact, capitalism didn't become a major economic system until the second millennium AD, but things still worked before then, and there were plenty of advancements. Small scale capitalism did exist in most cases, yes, but it was far from the current form of capitalism.

At the same time, it is easy enough to see the negative impact that unrestricted capitalism has to offer. Poor conditions for workers, low wages, and less than adequate products. Upton Sinclair is well known for exposing many of the horrible effects that big business wrought: poor quality of food going to the public, workers being unable to support themselves on their wage, and many other sad truths. The FDA is a very important federal agency, and without them, the food being sold would be much poorer. They don't even get the funds and power that they should, at the moment, but them existing in a poor state is better than not existing at all. Laissez-faire economics is not something to be desired.


Well, yea I support reasonable regulations.. but the federal government can easilly go too far. Socialism is similar. Socialism has gone wrong many, many times through history as well


Capitalism has gone wrong many, many times throughout history, and I would argue that it is easier for the population would have an easier time controlling the government than they would big business. After all, it was the people who applied pressure to the government that established regulations on business - they were unable to directly impact the businesses themselves because of the power they had through wealth and resources.

A government is a proxy of the people (or should be), whereas a business's only motivation is in profit. I'd chose government any time. That isn't to say that I see no danger in government power, however - on the contrary, I am very wary of power being hoarded by government. However, with adequate balances and checks, it is possible to keep the people in control. The same does not apply to business in pure capitalism, as the power (money) flows naturally to, and is hoarded by, businesses.


Capitalism is only failing due to unfair tax regulation and corporate welfare (which is the governments fault), and inadequate minimum wage (the one issue I agree with liberals on)
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lets vote for eminem....oh wait, the 'we the people' only get 40% of the vote needed to elect our leader.
and thats why i don't care.
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This is where I stand


There's so many social issues that would be so simple with a libertarian solution.. LGBT rights is one issue that Libertarians seem to be the only sensible ones on. Liberals wanna make a class of people feel "special", while conservatives wanna disenfranchise them.

It seems like the left and right just can't seem to grasp simple solutions for simple problems


Have to like someone who defines his position by tell other people what they believe. Self fulling much?
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Anyone but Hillary.
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Hillary is inevitable. Regardless of my personal beliefs(whooo Green Party!) she will get the nomination and probably the presidency.
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Queen Hillary will take the throne unless she gets into some sort of "accident" and is unable to make any public appearances... for the rest of her life...

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Queen Hillary will take the throne unless she gets into some sort of "accident" and is unable to make any public appearances... for the rest of her life...


Or, like Mitt Romney, if she starts saying a little too much when she thinks the cameras are off, some random quote-bite of wicked-witchery gets loose in the press, and she spends the rest of the campaign blaming US for remembering it.
(And oh, the chances of that are extremely slim. )

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Bernie Sanders has no chance and knows it.His candidacy is all about focusing on issues he feels need a national audience while trying to leverage concessions from the Democrats on their platform content.
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Not Hil, please. Please no. I do not stand with that woman. NOoooooooooopes
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BlueOni wrote:

Er...getting back to Senator Bernard Sanders...I think he's a fairly mainstream social democrat, and I'd be happy to see his thinking spread. I'm just not convinced he's electable, even compared to Warren. He's vice president material at best.


Two million in donations in two days and 175,000 volunteers. Might be an up hill battle, but he's very electable. Although I doubt that the MSM would ever tell you that.
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All dat union support though... I'll pass.


Unions raise the prevailing wage in a state by 15% or more they protect your rights as a worker. They give you equal power when negotiating a contract when you are in one. They fight for the little guy, yes they have a bad history but they are democracy in the work place. So the big question I will ask you are you for bank bail-outs and free trade deals and job killing policies that republicans have been pushing for the last 40 years? Unless of course you are in the military industrial complex and than you get all that stealth stimulus with hammers that cost 500 dollars.
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silversongwriter wrote:

This is where I stand


There's so many social issues that would be so simple with a libertarian solution.. LGBT rights is one issue that Libertarians seem to be the only sensible ones on. Liberals wanna make a class of people feel "special", while conservatives wanna disenfranchise them.

It seems like the left and right just can't seem to grasp simple solutions for simple problems


Democratic socialist are all for a strong productive economy what they aren't for is one that screws people and the environment over as for libertarians there are all for allowing people to get killed because there aren't any protections for food water and drugs and the environment to get destroyed. Guess which system works better when it comes to economics and more freedom in business. This means sensible regulation that protect the people and the company since they have a basic standard needed to be reached to sell goods and services in a country and protection the environment since it is the only one we have to live in.

When you also have these regulations in place you get fewer calamities like the economic collapse. When you are harmed you can seek a legal recourse and actually have a chance of winning, rather then wasting time and money fighting against a faceless machine and losing every-time because they own the courts. The last time we had a libertarian society and we have had them at different times was the 1870s to the 1900s. Guess what workers got screwed the environment was getting destroyed things were bad. Know what happened Roosevelt the first one kicked their collective asses, we got unions and the national parks system and work place safety and anti trust laws. So yeah it works really well at lining the pockets of the rich but for those in the middle which was really thin back then and the bottom it isn't a pretty picture so unless you are rich now you wouldn't be because upward mobility in that society is nearly zero. Much like it is becoming today more and more people falling down the social ladder than climbing up.

A broken clock is right twice a day that is what Libertarianism is looks pretty because it deals honestly with social issues blows goats when it comes to being an economically viable system for everyone. Only the rich benefit from this which is why the Koch brothers keep pushing it.
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Bernie Sanders has no chance and knows it.His candidacy is all about focusing on issues he feels need an national audience while trying to leverage concessions from the Democrats on their platform content.


When he should be focusing on his main strength, "I'm Not Hillary".
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pirththee wrote:

Bernie Sanders has no chance and knows it.His candidacy is all about focusing on issues he feels need an national audience while trying to leverage concessions from the Democrats on their platform content.


When he should be focusing on his main strength, "I'm Not Hillary".


He's too far left to win a lot of right of center independents ,no big money support, and he's unaffiliated.The kiss of death. Secretary Clinton has fairly strong support in her party, but I think many Democrats would like to see a more dynamic candidate emerge with less baggage.
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