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All dat union support though... I'll pass.


Unions raise the prevailing wage in a state by 15% or more they protect your rights as a worker. They give you equal power when negotiating a contract when you are in one. They fight for the little guy, yes they have a bad history but they are democracy in the work place. So the big question I will ask you are you for bank bail-outs and free trade deals and job killing policies that republicans have been pushing for the last 40 years? Unless of course you are in the military industrial complex and than you get all that stealth stimulus with hammers that cost 500 dollars.


Without a Union representing an individual in a contract negotiation there isn't any negotiation nor any contract .It's just how high and what color.
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pirththeeHe's too far left to win a lot of right of center independents ,no big money support, and he's unaffiliated.The kiss of death. Secretary Clinton has fairly strong support in her party, but I think many Democrats would like to see a more dynamic candidate emerge with less baggage.


I remember in '92 when Bill Clinton seemed too "slick", we didn't trust his ability to grab numbers away from other candidates, and we first started talking about "Smoke-filled rooms", as we hoped there would be some last-second backroom negotiations at the convention that would kick him out anyway and give the votes to the more cerebral Paul Tsongas.
But once he was "stuck" with being the front-runner, Clinton turned his message around, rallied populist support, and became the candidate who seemed to respond to his voters' concerns, with the more positive voter message than the opposition was bringing out.

Will that self-awareness happen with Hillary in the last weeks?--What the heck do YOU think?
It's not like guilty consciences really bother her that much, especially where positions of world domination are concerned.
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pirththeeHe's too far left to win a lot of right of center independents ,no big money support, and he's unaffiliated.The kiss of death. Secretary Clinton has fairly strong support in her party, but I think many Democrats would like to see a more dynamic candidate emerge with less baggage.


I remember in '92 when Bill Clinton seemed too "slick", we didn't trust his ability to grab numbers away from other candidates, and we first started talking about "Smoke-filled rooms", as we hoped there would be some last-second backroom negotiations at the convention that would kick him out anyway and give the votes to the more cerebral Paul Tsongas.
But once he was "stuck" with being the front-runner, Clinton turned his message around, rallied populist support, and became the candidate who seemed to respond to his voters' concerns, with the more positive voter message than the opposition was bringing out.

Will that self-awareness happen with Hillary in the last weeks?--What the heck do YOU think?
It's not like guilty consciences really bother her that much, especially where positions of world domination are concerned.


It's really too early to tell.The GOP is pretty much going into self destruct mode similar to 2012. Secretary Clinton's presidential aspirations could hinge on what kind of credible threat the opposition can mount.At this time that's not much.Having Secretary Clinton come to Hill for more in the ongoing political witchhunt by the House is an "all in" move by the GOP that could get her elected.
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pirththeeHaving Secretary Clinton come to Hill for more in the ongoing political witchhunt by the House is an "all in" move by the GOP that could get her elected.


And I suspect that accidental pun is going to get a LOT of play by the political columnists before this is over...

But yes, the Republicans' continuing eight-year obsession with their terror that Hillary would be elected in a landslide just on her last name alone reaches genuinely neurotic proportions--
Their early pre- '08 and '12 campaign discussions never once talked about "Who's going to carry the party?" or "Who's going to stand up for values?", it was literally "Who's going to beat Hillary?", before she even declared it. (And even when she wasn't running in '12.) McCain even trotted out the Crazy Alaskan Log-Lady, because they were convinced we'd vote for anybody in a skirt.
Only when Obama started crushing Hillary's numbers did they even look at other candidates, and then we got McCain's "Paris Hilton" ad. (For McCain's new '08 platform of "Geez, if you love Obama so much, why don'tcha marry him?")

That seems to be the underlying reason--Not sexism, or her personality, or her voting record, but their terror of a Clinton Dynasty, and that we'd have Democratic Presidents for the next seven terms. Partly, one suspects, out of their own lingering resentment toward Bush Sr. crushing their dreams of a Reagan Dynasty in '92, and dropping it like a toddler with a Ming vase.
Sort of the same reason that the current obsessive search for Obama's "Muslim Kenyan birth certificate" doesn't necessarily have to do with healthcare or bypassing Congress.

The Right's neurotic singleminded Operation: Burn the Witch reached such desperation that during Hillary's pre-'08 "Will I run?" teasing, the House tried floating an idea of getting the Supreme Court to judge whether to declare it legally unconstitutional to have the wife of a currently living US president serve in office. (This would apply to all future candidates, of course.)
Apparently, this was okay with the son of a currently living US president serving in office.
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Two million in donations in two days and 175,000 volunteers. Might be an up hill battle, but he's very electable. Although I doubt that the MSM would ever tell you that.


Well, we'll have to see what the polling data indicate as we get closer to the primary election. That war chest may help out, or it may amount to little more than dust. Either way it's good to see such extensive labour union support in a candidate's donor list, and I expect Sanders' aim is to at the very least get progressive ideas into the fray and force Democratic contenders (Clinton included) to account for them.
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I look forward to how it unfolds next year.
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Ignore the click bait title. This article is a good read.

http://lawnewz.com/politics/hillary-clintons-emails-now-might-finally-take-her-down/
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So good you needed to post it to a year old thread? -.-
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I doubt that a social economic system would work well without a parliament in which power is distributed evenly among parties involved, reducing the chance of corruption, and of a totalitarian regime. A republic is not that different from an empire (a collection of states under one rule). A presidential body is based loosely on a militaristic body (like aristocracy and dictatorship). Republicans are right to be concerned, if you think that your republic, that a presidential body, can support socialism. And there's not a chance in hell that you're going to reform into a parliament, willingly, supporting that many states; you would have to break up, establish independent bodies of government, then proceed to unify those willing to unify. Knowing your culture, that is just not going to happen, and you are instead going to fall back and stew. That said, you would either have to be a crook, or an absolute dimwit, to support a free-market.
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I love Bernie but he ain't winning this. No damn way

The Shrew has her claws too deep in the DNC.
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I love Bernie but he ain't winning this. No damn way

The Shrew has her claws too deep in the DNC.


And as even Donald Trump has had to concede in his latest strategies, even Democrats who hate Hillary and face the bad numbers about Sanders remind each other, "But she said she's bringing Bill!"
(In the same way you might say "But I'm bringing brownies! "
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Nogara-san wrote:

I love Bernie but he ain't winning this. No damn way

The Shrew has her claws too deep in the DNC.


And as even Donald Trump has had to concede in his latest strategies, even Democrats who hate Hillary and face the bad numbers about Sanders remind each other, "But she said she's bringing Bill!"
(In the same way you might say "But I'm bringing brownies! "


I actually like Bill though.



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Nogara-san wrote:


Ejanss wrote:
And as even Donald Trump has had to concede in his latest strategies, even Democrats who hate Hillary and face the bad numbers about Sanders remind each other, "But she said she's bringing Bill!"
(In the same way you might say "But I'm bringing brownies! "


I actually like Bill though.


Well, that's just it--The same Hillary we once despised in '92 for saying "Vote for him and get me!" is now forced to say "Vote for me and get HIM!"
And that offer, we don't mind taking her up on if we have to.
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So good you needed to post it to a year old thread? -.-


Yep. Did a thread search and it was the first one to pop up.
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The comments in this thread from a year ago are a fuckin' hoot though.
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