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Are people too serious?
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Posted 5/6/15

AiYumega wrote:

... The French call it "ennui". It's a state of constant sadness. Try and break out of it, it's just seeing even the worst of days in a better light.


Anglophones call it ennui as well, just so you know: it has been, and still is, used rather commonly in English. It is a loanword, but a word all the same for those who speak English.
Posted 5/6/15

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This is NYC we're talking about. It'd be weird if strangers here did smile.


Actually lately people have been smiling at me everyday. I feel like Joker released some sort of gas on us or something.
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It's not to make me happy. I couldn't care less for myself frankly. I'm saying it's almost burdensome to be around a downer all the time. The point of this post is not sad people on the subway, it's people who are constantly like this and push their seriousness/sadness onto other people. That's what I mean, not what you're saying.



Is this a specific person in your life you're talking about, like a friend or family member or something? If it's just some stranger why do you care?


That's a good question actually. I don't know, both probably.


I guess to me that really makes a difference. If you are in the group of people I care about then I'd ask if everything was okay or how their day was going or whatever, because we can talk about stuff. If you are not in that group I don't give a rat's ass what the look on your face is.
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...it's annoying to everyone else too.


Nah, this is annoying (funny, but annoying):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

While I appreciate absurdity enough that I'd probably laugh in that particular situation, I certainly wouldn't fault anyone that didn't.

I think people shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the worries of others, especially when they don't even know what those worries are. Judging people on the subway or the bus for not smiling amongst a bunch of strangers. Do you know their past, present or future?

Maybe they're in chronic pain.
Maybe their pet died.
Maybe they lost their job... two years ago, and haven't managed to find another in that time.
Maybe they have a job and they absolutely hate it.

Maybe you should ask one of these people on each of your little trips what's got them down. See how long it is before you aren't smiling, because it's not like all those people are unhappy for no good reason.

Seriously, why should someone that isn't happy smile just to make you happy?
Or should they just give up on being unhappy and instead ooze artificial happiness like a clockwork orange for the satisfaction of society?

Reading this post, I am reminded of the beginning of Sweeney Todd, where Todd and Alexander Hope state that "There's no place like London" but with completely different meanings, due to their completely different experiences in life.


It's not to make me happy. I couldn't care less for myself frankly. I'm saying it's almost burdensome to be around a downer all the time. The point of this post is not sad people on the subway, it's people who are constantly like this and push their seriousness/sadness onto other people. That's what I mean, not what you're saying.



*You* say it's burdensome to be around them.
I won't deny that I'd choose different company for myself, but that's because it bothers *me* to be around them.
So them acting happy - which is lying, denying their own feelings - would be for the benefit of others.

There are people with plenty of reason to be down, quite possibly all the time. Whether they choose to show that or not is up to them.
I think it is sad that society judges people negatively for displaying their feelings honestly.

Keeping things bottled up inside is bad for people, but society doesn't care to see anything unpleasant so please just smile. Then when a person cracks from the bad things in their lives and does something horrible this same society wrings its hands and goes, "Oh, if only we had known". I think "If only we had cared" would be more appropriate in those situations.
Posted 5/6/15 , edited 5/6/15

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Amaya- wrote:


xxJing wrote:


Amaya- wrote:

I'd sooner respect a "serious" person than a clown who makes fun of others' troubles. True there should be an outlet for everyone to handle pent-up stress, but if we're talking character archetypes the solemn person who works hard trumps the fool who stumbles through life anyday. And who are you to judge anyone because you have it so easy? ...




You realize Homer Simpson is the greatest cartoon loser of all time, right?


The irony was supposed to be that your original post pretty much describes that specific episode word for word.

Frank Grimes is a diligent but overly serious hard worker who has had to claw his way from the bottom to his current position. On the other hand, Homer is a complete idiot with a loving family, warm friends, and he is easily forgiven for his mistakes.

Basically the episode is about Frank Grimes trying to be diligent and serious while Homer is negligent and screws up, Homer never gets punished during the course of the episode and gets rewarded instead. Grimes notices this and starts to complain, but no one even listens to his complaints. In the end Grimes starts running around doing irresponsible stuff while yelling "Look at me, I am going to do [dangerous thing], but it's alright, because I'M HOMER SIMPSON!"


My reply was supposed to be a reference to that. "Who am I to judge anyone because I have it so easy?", "A fat negligent drunk, but that's alright, because I'M HOMER SIMPSON!"


More or less the reverse to what I said, and not proven more realistic. Hard work pays off, not partying, not being Homer Simpson. You might have fun sooner but it catches up to you, and the hard working nerd with the engineering degree always finishes last.

The way I see homer is someone who never grew out of his high school days. thats not freedom, its ignorance. thats where his bliss comes from.

Posted 5/6/15

slfcmore wrote:


AiYumega wrote:


slfcmore wrote:


AiYumega
It's not to make me happy. I couldn't care less for myself frankly. I'm saying it's almost burdensome to be around a downer all the time. The point of this post is not sad people on the subway, it's people who are constantly like this and push their seriousness/sadness onto other people. That's what I mean, not what you're saying.



Is this a specific person in your life you're talking about, like a friend or family member or something? If it's just some stranger why do you care?


That's a good question actually. I don't know, both probably.


I guess to me that really makes a difference. If you are in the group of people I care about then I'd ask if everything was okay or how their day was going or whatever, because we can talk about stuff. If you are not in that group I don't give a rat's ass what the look on your face is.


True enough. I dont stop to ask people how life is, because I'd probably get stabbed by one of them. But I'll admit I don't like seeing sad faces all around, even if that is a bit selfish. I think it's a shame but theres reasons to sadness, I get that. Everyone's got a story.

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I do genuinely care though, that's the thing.
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Are we to exclude those whose seriousness and/or sadness is the consequence of an affective disorder? Because that's kind of beyond one's control without either the benefit of time or treatment.
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Heh, maybe our avatars represent us too well. It doesn't bother me to see sad faces all around, I can filter it out. They barely exist to me as individual people anyway.
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Amaya- wrote:


xxJing wrote:


Amaya- wrote:


xxJing wrote:


Amaya- wrote:

I'd sooner respect a "serious" person than a clown who makes fun of others' troubles. True there should be an outlet for everyone to handle pent-up stress, but if we're talking character archetypes the solemn person who works hard trumps the fool who stumbles through life anyday. And who are you to judge anyone because you have it so easy? ...




You realize Homer Simpson is the greatest cartoon loser of all time, right?


The irony was supposed to be that your original post pretty much describes that specific episode word for word.

Frank Grimes is a diligent but overly serious hard worker who has had to claw his way from the bottom to his current position. On the other hand, Homer is a complete idiot with a loving family, warm friends, and he is easily forgiven for his mistakes.

Basically the episode is about Frank Grimes trying to be diligent and serious while Homer is negligent and screws up, Homer never gets punished during the course of the episode and gets rewarded instead. Grimes notices this and starts to complain, but no one even listens to his complaints. In the end Grimes starts running around doing irresponsible stuff while yelling "Look at me, I am going to do [dangerous thing], but it's alright, because I'M HOMER SIMPSON!"


My reply was supposed to be a reference to that. "Who am I to judge anyone because I have it so easy?", "A fat negligent drunk, but that's alright, because I'M HOMER SIMPSON!"


More or less the reverse to what I said, and not proven more realistic. Hard work pays off, not partying, not being Homer Simpson. You might have fun sooner but it catches up to you, and the hard working nerd with the engineering degree always finishes last.



Nah the Machiavellian schemer is the one who finishes on top. The hard working nerd with the engineering degree finishes where the Machiavellian schemer deems he's useful but not threatening.
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I dont know man I just dont know. I feel that so much shit is coming down on me know I have to be serious. I look back at some comments I have made in the past on this forum and instantly regret them.
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Posted 5/6/15

AiYumega wrote:


PhantomGundam wrote:

This is NYC we're talking about. It'd be weird if strangers here did smile.


Actually lately people have been smiling at me everyday. I feel like Joker released some sort of gas on us or something.


The Joker released some of his laughing gas in NYC or these people are going to rob you. Either way, it's time to put up the bat signal.
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But I'd classify the Machiavellian Schemer as hard-working.
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Or should they just give up on being unhappy and instead ooze artificial happiness like a clockwork orange for the satisfaction of society?


I actually do this on a routine basis. Most grueling undertaking ever.
Posted 5/6/15 , edited 5/6/15
Have you ever heard of the condition where people think that they're dead? But they're not, in "our terms".

That mindset is harder to change than anything else...

Even for a normal person... after a few days, if something terrible happens afterwards for an extended period of time, that feeling of joy will fade away...

More so if that negative feeling drags on and on... Because a long string of really bad things occur in a row...

Then they kind of forget what it is like to feel happiness and they become more numb to the world,

Because they don't want to get hurt anymore....

Or they know that happiness can only ever last so long.
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