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Are people too serious?
Posted 5/7/15


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Some people just have a brooding personality, which may come off as being overly serious or depressed to others. I don't see anything wrong with it unless it is actually causing problems for others. Though I am generally pretty serious, and people tend to ridicule or judge me for it.
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Yes.
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I wish teenagers were more serious...or take things more seriously^^
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^ Love it ;P.

Me too!!
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Amaya- wrote:

I'd sooner respect a "serious" person than a clown who makes fun of others' troubles. True there should be an outlet for everyone to handle pent-up stress, but if we're talking character archetypes the solemn person who works hard trumps the fool who stumbles through life anyday. And who are you to judge anyone because you have it so easy? ...


But take, for contrast, the Shakespearean fool. Someone who cracks jokes all of the time and doesn't take anything seriously, but is oftentimes the wisest character in the show. Or, if you have done any Tarot, The Fool suggests infinite possibilities and as such is the first card in the deck. Not all the foolish are fools.

Your analogy also has some disconnects. Yes, you would respect a serious person more than someone who cracks jokes at others expense, but I would hazard you would also respect a clown who cheers others up more than a supervisor who is constantly yelling at and berating you. You are attributing additional positive attributes to 'serious' and 'cheerful' to unbalance the analogy. A person who works hard trumps someone who doesn't, we all believe that. So if they were reversed, "the fool who works hard" would still trump "the solemn person who stumbles through life". Your argument is made a bit inconsequential in that it isn't regarding the topic itself, but the attributes you've assigned (perhaps a bit too arbitrarily) to the opposing sides of the original argument. If there was a symbolic notation of the argument entailed A(c) > B(d) - wherein A and B are the 'solemn' and 'foolish' archetypes respectfully, and c and d were their character traits - in your argument you are, in effect, arguing C(a) > D(b). This is because you are arguing their traits rather than their personalities.

I know a few people who stress themselves out so much over schoolwork and their lives that they have gone to the hospital from exhaustion. In those cases, they have actually been 'prescribed' a therapist to help them get over their stress and not take everything so seriously. Though they are anecdotal, they still have some merit in showing that sometimes taking things a bit less seriously can actually be good for your health.
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What is this nonsense? Disconnects? I stated my opinion, not philosophical or mathematical theory. "a supervisor who is constantly yelling and berating" isn't serious, that's just plain unethical and abusive, and I never implied that was what I meant. Your mistake is confusing serious with abuse. I'm sure someone can be a cheerful while being serious without compromising their professionalism or their integrity. Clowns and fools for all I care belong in a tent, on stage, or in the circus. You work in the entertainment industry, it is you, I wager, who has a personal stake in defending performers, not me. All I said is I have respect for results, and professionalism is what gets things done. Getting things done gives me pride and the reward is that that, along with money cheers me up. As for all that BS A>B>C mathematical association shit, so what if I am arguing traits or personalities, no matter, its my opinion, toss it aside if you don't like it. Nowhere did I say run yourself into the ground, but what you do on your own time is your business. Nowhere does this mean "oppress your workers", that would be unethical, and potentially get a lawsuit, someone fired, or both. That's why I explicitly stated one should have an outlet to work off pent-up stress. No, clowns don't belong in a professional work enviroment unless your profession is at the circus, and after hours everyone can relieve stress by going to see them at work in their profession rather than becoming one themselves. They'd be better at it anyway. And there is no guarantee pleasing a crowd would please you. If I had a nickel for every depressed entertainer that killed themself I'd be a millionaire. Many I know are in fact fearful of clowns and the like and have been since early childhood. If you think I was arguing against cheerfulness you were wrong, but there is a time for foolishness, and I'd just as soon promote drinking at work than to be neglectful of one's duties.


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Amaya- wrote:



What is this nonsense? Disconnects? I stated my opinion, not philosophical or mathematical theory. "a supervisor who is constantly yelling and berating" isn't serious, that's just plain unethical and abusive, and I never implied that was what I meant. Your mistake is confusing serious with abuse. I'm sure someone can be a cheerful while being serious without compromising their professionalism or their integrity. Clowns and fools for all I care belong in a tent, on stage, or in the circus. You work in the entertainment industry, it is you, I wager, who has a personal stake in defending performers, not me. All I said is I have respect for results, and professionalism is what gets things done. Getting things done gives me pride and the reward is that that, along with money cheers me up. As for all that BS A>B>C mathematical association shit, so what if I am arguing traits or personalities, no matter, its my opinion, toss it aside if you don't like it. Nowhere did I say run yourself into the ground, I believe that's why I explicitly stated one should have an outlet to work off pent-up stress. No, clowns don't belong in a professional work enviroment unless your profession is at the circus, and after hours everyone can relieve stress by going to see them rather than becoming one themselves.


I'm afraid you misrepresent my opinion. My 'supervisor' example was simply an analogue of your metaphor flipped to the opposite extreme. A bit of a contraposition if you will. I am not confusing serious with abuse, I was just taking the stance to show how confusing being less serious with foolery seems equally as silly. As you see the point with one, I am sure you can see it when applied to the other.

You also seem to mistake being professional with being serious. The two are not one and the same. Professionalism is all about being respectful, courteous, and focused on the job. As long as you are doing all of the above, why does it matter if you make jokes in the meanwhile? One does not need to maintain a stone-cold demeanor to be successful and professional, and indeed, those with good spirits create a great job environment and are desirable and looked upon warmly by employers. Being cheerful and less serious has no direct correlation with professionalism.

And yes I have a vested interest in the arts, but they are applicable in all fields. I am currently using it to my advantage in dealer school. Being personable is an acquired trait, and one of the primary tenants is to have a cheerful, less serious demeanor. It works out well when dealing with situations to help de-escalate conflict in the workplace as well. And, of course, this is all my opinion as well. I still respect your opinion, I was just pointing out some of the problems that arose out of it. If I offended you, I surely did not mean to.

"If we spirits have offended, think but this and all is mended- that you have but slumbered here while we visions did appear."

I don't find any offense in debates, and I hope you don't either. For me this is just a free exchange of ideas, and while it may be heated, at the end of the day, there is no reason in it to arise hostility or unfriendliness. I don't see any reason why we would not be able to get along, but I understand if you may feel differently. If you do, think of me as a 'vision' on the internet. Fleeting, and soon to fade. I would hate to upset anyone through our dialogue.
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No, you're fine, everything is good on my end. About to catch some much needed rest. :)


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Posted 5/8/15
Okay?
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Posted 5/8/15
Yes I understand...people misunderstand us when we are serious... they think we're upset or angry, when actually it is not so.
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