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I'm 13 and live in manchester will this affect me.
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Another problem is younger kids usually care less or not enough to go and vote. I'm sure they could swing the outcome to a much better extent should they choose to involve themselves more. After all, their futures ARE being controlled to a certain degree by all of this. It's the same here in America and pretty much anywhere similar. Once the old mindset dies off things will improve to a degree.


Not "all" older Americans vote conservative and you don't necessarily get more right wing as you get older.Older Americans do vote however,and it seems strange that the people that orchestrated the liberal social changes of the 60's are now demonized as standing in the way of change.I'll try to accommodate you and die as quickly as I can so you take the responsibility for this mess all on your own.I'll congratulate you in advance for your remarkable changes that'll solve all the worlds problems as seen from your perspective of youth for as you pointed out, I won't be there.LOL.
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It's unfortunate that the Conservatives won,but if they don't win once in a while and remind people making less than 6 figures how bad they are ,Labor governments wouldn't happen.It's not the end of the world, and if you're worried about the pressing issue about what kind of porn is allowed ,France is right across the Channel.
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dotsforlife wrote:

Another problem is younger kids usually care less or not enough to go and vote. I'm sure they could swing the outcome to a much better extent should they choose to involve themselves more. After all, their futures ARE being controlled to a certain degree by all of this. It's the same here in America and pretty much anywhere similar. Once the old mindset dies off things will improve to a degree.


Not "all" older Americans vote conservative and you don't necessarily get more right wing as you get older.Older Americans do vote however,and it seems strange that the people that orchestrated the liberal social changes of the 60's are now demonized as standing in the way of change.I'll try to accommodate you and die as quickly as I can so you take the responsibility for this mess all on your own.I'll congratulate you in advance for your remarkable changes that'll solve all the worlds problems as seen from your perspective of youth for as you pointed out, I won't be there.LOL.


Never said older Americans voted conservative. In fact I was addressing the poor British showing from younger kids mentioned by the OP. You can get off your horse for a moment to realize I wasn't insulting your generation. To speak on the American situation particularly though, the current generation of politicians in power are no longer doing that great of a job. They need to adapt to modern society and learn to change with the times. Their ideals and set ways were useful years ago, but being stubborn simply because of not wanting to change is flat out stupid and detrimental to the country and its people. It's the same with every generation as they age. They get old, get stubborn and get stupid. Once they're replaced the same will happen to the next generation in power. It's simple history.

The main problem is each generation is either in power for too long, or they refuse to change/adapt to the times.
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Almost everything good that could happen, happened ...if only the conservatives' victory was a little wider! The British system just exemplifies how stupid third (and multiple parties are); it shouldn't be that hard to get a majority. The younger generation might not be as smart as they think they are.

Celebrate the conservative victory and a few more years keeping wrongheaded liberal policy at bay!! WAHOOOOOO! Here's to timeless truths that don't change with the whims of a "new" generation (well, they think their ideas are new, but are often recycled, failed ideas) ...old ones like freedom of speech.
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UKIP is an incredibly dangerous party. It is racist, sexist and homophobic. So I am glad UKIP didn't do well and i hope they won't gain any more voters.
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UKIP is an incredibly dangerous party. It is racist, sexist and homophobic. So I am glad UKIP didn't do well and i hope they won't gain any more voters.


Completely false, where did you get this from? Random posts on Facebook?
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Arguably the UK has a bigger problem with its Frist pass-the-post system which is in desperate need of reform. While everyone who voted for the Conservatives has a democratic right to do so, the Conservative Party or any other party for that matter should (in my opinion) not be able to form a government when over 60% of the electorate do not vote for said party. This is made more important by the fact that last time that a UK government was elected with more than 50% of the vote was in 1931.
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dotsforlife wrote:


pirththee wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:

Another problem is younger kids usually care less or not enough to go and vote. I'm sure they could swing the outcome to a much better extent should they choose to involve themselves more. After all, their futures ARE being controlled to a certain degree by all of this. It's the same here in America and pretty much anywhere similar. Once the old mindset dies off things will improve to a degree.


Not "all" older Americans vote conservative and you don't necessarily get more right wing as you get older.Older Americans do vote however,and it seems strange that the people that orchestrated the liberal social changes of the 60's are now demonized as standing in the way of change.I'll try to accommodate you and die as quickly as I can so you take the responsibility for this mess all on your own.I'll congratulate you in advance for your remarkable changes that'll solve all the worlds problems as seen from your perspective of youth for as you pointed out, I won't be there.LOL.


Never said older Americans voted conservative. In fact I was addressing the poor British showing from younger kids mentioned by the OP. You can get off your horse for a moment to realize I wasn't insulting your generation. To speak on the American situation particularly though, the current generation of politicians in power are no longer doing that great of a job. They need to adapt to modern society and learn to change with the times. Their ideals and set ways were useful years ago, but being stubborn simply because of not wanting to change is flat out stupid and detrimental to the country and its people. It's the same with every generation as they age. They get old, get stubborn and get stupid. Once they're replaced the same will happen to the next generation in power. It's simple history.

The main problem is each generation is either in power for too long, or they refuse to change/adapt to the times.


"Modern society" as defined by whom?I'm not on any horse nor do I speak for or defend my generation, but remember not all older Americans resist change nor are they stubborn.Remember the older you get the more changes you've adapted too.So you get pretty good at change after awhile.I found your comments amusing and although I think you are overgeneralizing they made me chuckle.
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If you have not noticed with elections it goes right wing, left wing, right wing, left wing, left wing, right wing, left wing, right wing, right wing, and so on.

Then you get the occasional neither that goes on a mad crusade.
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Modern society meaning the time we currently live in. Not 10, 20, 30+ years ago. Yes, you were on a horse with the way you responded. Your choice of vocabulary and the way in which you responded clearly showed your tone and condescending attitude. I have no issue with any generation. I'm simply stating the way it is. That being said, I'm done addressing you. Moot point at this time.

Back on topic here... The British are basically dealing with the same bs America was around 6 years ago or so. Expect it to last a while. Hell, we're still dealing with it. It's like watching kids fight on a playground. I'm not sure what conservative is in England compared to ours here in America, but if it's anything similar then that's certainly not good. Parties are way too extreme right now.
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Conservatives won, the most well spoken and no nonsense politician has resigned (Nigel Farage), and the whole voting system itself is broke. Isn't it funny how UKIP, the third most popular only gained one seat. Meanwhile SNP, who received less than half of UKIP's votes, gained more seats. So much for democracy. In simpler terms;

Conservatives who won, had 11m votes and gained 23 seats. UKIP 4m votes somehow equals 1 seat. But Conservatives win. The party who wants to end the Human Rights Act, ban certain categories of porn they don't like, sell off the NHS have won ladies and gentlemen.

I've noticed the people who voted for Conservatives are typically in the older generation, the ones who still reads the newspaper. So I guess we younger generation in the UK have to deal with are losses just because the dumb, older generation who are better off don't know any better other than to vote based on what the fucking Daily Mirror told them. I'm glad I'm working towards my degree as I'm moving out of here.


If the voting system wasn't shit, and votes actually counted for something, this is how it would of been.




Looking at that table you posted I have to wonder. Why so many parties? That seems like a problem in and of itself. I'm not well educated on Englands government so feel free to explain.
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Modern society meaning the time we currently live in. Not 10, 20, 30+ years ago. Yes, you were on a horse with the way you responded. Your choice of vocabulary and the way in which you responded clearly showed your tone and condescending attitude. I have no issue with any generation. I'm simply stating the way it is. That being said, I'm done addressing you. Moot point at this time.

Back on topic here... The British are basically dealing with the same bs America was around 6 years ago or so. Expect it to last a while. Hell, we're still dealing with it. It's like watching kids fight on a playground. I'm not sure what conservative is in England compared to ours here in America, but if it's anything similar then that's certainly not good. Parties are way too extreme right now.


The only one on a horse and being condescending here is you as witnessed by the tone of your responses and your blunt dismissal.If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
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dotsforlife wrote:


DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

Conservatives won, the most well spoken and no nonsense politician has resigned (Nigel Farage), and the whole voting system itself is broke. Isn't it funny how UKIP, the third most popular only gained one seat. Meanwhile SNP, who received less than half of UKIP's votes, gained more seats. So much for democracy. In simpler terms;

Conservatives who won, had 11m votes and gained 23 seats. UKIP 4m votes somehow equals 1 seat. But Conservatives win. The party who wants to end the Human Rights Act, ban certain categories of porn they don't like, sell off the NHS have won ladies and gentlemen.

I've noticed the people who voted for Conservatives are typically in the older generation, the ones who still reads the newspaper. So I guess we younger generation in the UK have to deal with are losses just because the dumb, older generation who are better off don't know any better other than to vote based on what the fucking Daily Mirror told them. I'm glad I'm working towards my degree as I'm moving out of here.


If the voting system wasn't shit, and votes actually counted for something, this is how it would of been.




Looking at that table you posted I have to wonder. Why so many parties? That seems like a problem in and of itself. I'm not well educated on Englands government so feel free to explain. :)


Anyone can have a run at it really. I don't see it as a problem. It's better than having only one or two, but then at the same time with the current voting system here, the ones at the top remain at the top.
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Usually there's only a handful of parties that matter anyways. The rest just take up votes, even if they have good ideas to bring to the table. Not great, but that's how it is. Why is it that 4mil votes only attained 1 seat vs the 11mil 23? That ratio seems way off.

To be honest I'm surprised they won really. I thought Cameron wasn't liked that much at this point.
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dotsforlife wrote:


Looking at that table you posted I have to wonder. Why so many parties? That seems like a problem in and of itself. I'm not well educated on Englands government so feel free to explain. :)

The thing is those are all the parties representing all parts of the UK. Also England doesn't have a devolved government they just have the UK one.
In other parts of the UK though, different parties are needed.

The most obvious example is in Northern Ireland where we have parties like the Democratic Unionist Party and the Ulster Unionists representing Unionists and Sinn Fein and the SDLP representing Nationalists. The Northern Irish parliament has a complicated history, so it has it's own parties, who are often fiercely supported, meaning bigger UK parties can't get in. I think the Alliance is in between?

In Scotland it's really between the SNP and Labour, with only some farmers and rich people voting Conservative. The SNP started around the time when the Scottish parliament was founded and many of it's supporters (though not all) want independence. A full-UK party would never support that.

I'm not an expert on Wales, but Plaid Cymru will be a similar Welsh thing. Yeah, just checked, they want independence too.

I think "Others" are independent people.
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