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So can someone from England point out what Conservatives stand for? I'm curious as to how they compare to the ones here in America.
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Hopefully this election will help lessen the socialized healthcare regulations so I won't have to keep smuggling teeth whitening strips to my friends in London. Yes, it is illegal to possess teeth whitening products in England.
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dotsforlife wrote:

So can someone from England point out what Conservatives stand for? I'm curious as to how they compare to the ones here in America.


I'm not sure if you want specifics but you can take a gander at their manifesto. https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

To be honest, with all parties, at least 50% of what they claim they will do (usually to the benefit of the working class) never comes about so you can see "what they stand for" but never completely believe any party's manifesto.
Posted 5/8/15
Meh. I don't know much about British politics, but there was another thread here that asked what we would like to see happen...

Someone from the UK pointed out that what I had my interests in would be in-tune with the Conservatives...

So I guess I should be happy?

Anyway, I don't think Lefties are good for the majority of countries at the moment, including my own. I'm more conservative always, but not too much either!
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dotsforlife wrote:

So can someone from England point out what Conservatives stand for? I'm curious as to how they compare to the ones here in America.


The conservative Party in the UK are the equivalent to your centre left Democrats (seriously, you have no idea how funny it is when Republicans accuse Obama of being a socialist )
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Pancake_Hunter wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:

So can someone from England point out what Conservatives stand for? I'm curious as to how they compare to the ones here in America.


I'm not sure if you want specifics but you can take a gander at their manifesto. https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

To be honest, with all parties, at least 50% of what they claim they will do (usually to the benefit of the working class) never comes about so you can see "what they stand for" but never completely believe any party's manifesto.


So after reading up a little bit they seem similar to the American version as far as economic, social and foreign policy is concerned. You're correct in what you say though. What a party says they stand for and want to do often differs from the results. Usually because of ulterior motives or clashes between major parties wanting to hold each other up. Hooray for politics...
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Arguably the UK has a bigger problem with its Frist pass-the-post system which is in desperate need of reform. While everyone who voted for the Conservatives has a democratic right to do so, the Conservative Party or any other party for that matter should (in my opinion) not be able to form a government when over 60% of the electorate do not vote for said party. This is made more important by the fact that last time that a UK government was elected with more than 50% of the vote was in 1931.


I was wondering how is it possible to get more than 50% of the citizens vote since i'm not familiar with all the parties you could vote for. By going by a other posters chart it seems you have over 12 options. Just by all the parties alone it will be near impossible to get that much support. Although I do agree that the majority of the citizenry should support whoever wins even if they may disagree with the views of said party. In America i'm no fan of our current administration but I still pay my taxes, obey the laws, and continue to support my country although I do wish we could have more than two options. Every one says we have three libertarian but it is extremely unlikely one would ever get the white house in my life time. Know I find it funny you have to many options while your brothers down here in America only have 2 relevant parties.


1931 was an exceptional election to be fair, normally until 1970 nearly around 85% or more of the vote went to either Labour or the Conservatives so first past the Post worked (mostly). However, as a result of newer parties emerging and the remerging popularity of the Liberal party (who would become the Liberal democrats) the overall vote cast in favour of Labour or the Conservatives began to fall however, the number of MPs that they sent to parliament fell only slightly. The problem is that unless you have your support concentrated in a certain area EG Scotland then you will often end up picking a lot of votes but elect no MPs or very few MPs to parliament. This was seen with the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) which got 3.8 million votes, the third highest in the election but managed to elect one MP to parliament (out of about 650) due to its support being spread out over the country. In contrast the SNP received 1.4 million votes, less than half of UKIP but were able to elect 56 MPs due to their support being concentrated in Scotland. However the Labour and the Conservatives have no incentive to change the rules as they would lose out significantly.

Additionally The only way that America could have more than two parties would be if the entire political system was reformed.
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We do have more than 2 parties. They just don't hold any real power.
Posted 5/8/15
The UK sounds like a depressing place as of late.
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Can't we just say you're all dumb for believing in any political group in the first place? If the UK is bad or turning bad. It's your duty as a European to get rid of people who screw up.


Political Parties are a necessary evil. You’d be surprised how difficult it is to elect out MPs especially those with "safe" or "very safe" seats.
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We do have more than 2 parties. They just don't hold any real power.


True, you still have an American Communist Party. My point was that if America wants to see the monopoly of the Republicans and Democrats broken, it would have to reform its entire political system otherwise, the Democrats and Republicans are here to stay.
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Not likely to happen. I believe the Independent Party is the 3rd strongest party, but that isn't saying much. The Dems and Repubs wouldn't be as bad if they'd stop bickering like children and be less extreme. They seem to move farther and farther to their respective directions.
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Good show UK, maybe you can harden the fuck up once again.
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Magical-Soul wrote:

Can't we just say you're all dumb for believing in any political group in the first place? If the UK is bad or turning bad. It's your duty as a European to get rid of people who screw up.


Political Parties are a necessary evil. You’d be surprised how difficult it is to elect out MPs especially those with "safe" or "very safe" seats.


Uhm. No, that's not what I meant. I meant tear down the entire system of having a society with one political head. THAT shit is stupid.

I'm not sure if the MDNM is in Europe, but it should be.
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dotsforlife We do have more than 2 parties. They just don't hold any real power.

True, you still have an American Communist Party. My point was that if America wants to see the monopoly of the Republicans and Democrats broken, it would have to reform its entire political system otherwise, the Democrats and Republicans are here to stay.


Ralph Nader tried to form a third party (well, fourth if you believe in Libertarians, but most people thought it was the third one), and....by the time of the election, boy, were we ready to stuff his head in the toilet for a swirly.

By the second election, his own party members had an even lower opinion, and they kept locking the door when they saw him coming.
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