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Posted 5/8/15

Magical-Soul wrote:


Voc666IV wrote:


Magical-Soul wrote:

Can't we just say you're all dumb for believing in any political group in the first place? If the UK is bad or turning bad. It's your duty as a European to get rid of people who screw up.


Political Parties are a necessary evil. You’d be surprised how difficult it is to elect out MPs especially those with "safe" or "very safe" seats.


Uhm. No, that's not what I meant. I meant tear down the entire system of having a society with one political head. THAT shit is stupid.

I'm not sure if the MDNM is in Europe, but it should be.


Sorry, my mistake

Out of interest what is the MDNM?
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It's the same in USA. Obama lost the popular vote in 2012, but he still won because he won the bigger states that count for more of the electoral votes.
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Khaltazar wrote:

It's the same in USA. Obama lost the popular vote in 2012, but he still won because he won the bigger states that count for more of the electoral votes.


Obama won the popular vote in 2012 by nearly 5 million votes... Are you talking about Bush in the 2000 election?
Posted 5/8/15

LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:


Obama won the popular vote in 2012 by nearly 5 million votes


Unfortunately...
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first, what's wrong with reading the newspaper?

second, since when are old people "dumb"? some old people sure, but there's a lot more dumb (read: no common sense) young people than dumb old people and anyway intelligence is not linked to age...

sigh...

i had like 15 alerts and emails from bbc app on my phone about this today, was really irritating >.>
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Posted 5/8/15 , edited 5/8/15

Sogno- wrote:

first, what's wrong with reading the newspaper?


Because the newspaper is filled with bait articles, misinformation, exaggerations and the like. Because of media such as them, labour party leader Ed, was attacked over everything. The way he eats a sandwich? Lets make it front page news and why you shouldn't vote for him! They don't care for producing actual good material and in my mind, anyone who still reads the newspaper needs to realize it's 2015 and there are better alternatives to getting information. So with that being said, and the above isn't my opinion, it's a fact, anyone who still reads newspaper is a moron (my opinion).


Sogno- wrote:
second, since when are old people "dumb"? some old people sure, but there's a lot more dumb (read: no common sense) young people than dumb old people and anyway intelligence is not linked to age...


Younger generation might also have it's share of dumbs but at least they don't read the newspaper.



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there's literally nothing wrong with reading the newspaper


DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

So with that being said, and the above isn't my opinion, it's a fact, anyone who still reads newspaper is a moron (my opinion).


wow...

well whatever.

ya'll should just get the queen to rule again . who knows maybe another shakespeare will rise
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Conservatives won, the most well spoken and no nonsense politician has resigned (Nigel Farage), and the whole voting system itself is broke. Isn't it funny how UKIP, the third most popular only gained one seat. Meanwhile SNP, who received less than half of UKIP's votes, gained more seats. So much for democracy. In simpler terms;

Conservatives who won, had 11m votes and gained 23 seats. UKIP 4m votes somehow equals 1 seat. But Conservatives win. The party who wants to end the Human Rights Act, ban certain categories of porn they don't like, sell off the NHS have won ladies and gentlemen.

I've noticed the people who voted for Conservatives are typically in the older generation, the ones who still reads the newspaper. So I guess we younger generation in the UK have to deal with are losses just because the dumb, older generation who are better off don't know any better other than to vote based on what the fucking Daily Mirror told them. I'm glad I'm working towards my degree as I'm moving out of here.


If the voting system wasn't shit, and votes actually counted for something, this is how it would of been.




But instead, we get this.



Stupid American question here:

Why do some parties show a lot of votes, but yet get just ONE seat?
I'm confused
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eightcar wrote:
Stupid American question here:

Why do some parties show a lot of votes, but yet get just ONE seat?
I'm confused


It's not a stupid question don't worry.

It's because of the 'first-past-the-post' voting system. Essentially, it's broken. 4 Million votes amount to nothing because of it. When we tried to vote to have the system changed back in 2011 so each vote really would count, the government started spreading this propaganda;






And over 60% voted no.
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Well I personally believe that the "first past the post" system works as long as there are MPs elected for specific areas/constituencies. Especially due to the UK being made up of "distinct" countries as well, it would screw over Scotland, Wales and especially Northern Ireland (who I don't believe even get to vote for the 'main' UK parties).


As for the conservatives winning, I'm glad that there wasn't a "hung" parliament although I'm concerned about some of the Conservatives' policies, I believe that David Cameron is a better leader than Ed Milliband. It was obvious that the conservatives would win once it was established that Scotland would be pro-SNP and labour would not want to form a coalition with them. The REAL death of democracy in this country was when Ed Milliband stated that he'd rather not be prime minister than work with the SNP (among other parties).
I also think it's sad that so many leaders resigned, although I'm surprised that Jim Murphy (Scottish Labour Leader) is still here (for now ). I think that Nick Clegg tried to be a good leader but made too many concessions to the Conservatives last election but I'm also concerned that the Lib Dems "reigned in" some of the Conservatives' policies.
Oh well, we'll have to see how it turns out in the next few months - years. It can only get better, right?
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Posted 5/8/15

LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:


Khaltazar wrote:

It's the same in USA. Obama lost the popular vote in 2012, but he still won because he won the bigger states that count for more of the electoral votes.


Obama won the popular vote in 2012 by nearly 5 million votes... Are you talking about Bush in the 2000 election?


Oh, must have got even more votes when I turned the TV off. I just saw Obama was way behind in votes but way ahead in electoral votes so I turned the TV off and resigned to another 4 years of more taxes and higher debt.
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Posted 5/8/15

DanteVSTheWorld wrote:


eightcar wrote:
Stupid American question here:

Why do some parties show a lot of votes, but yet get just ONE seat?
I'm confused


It's not a stupid question don't worry.

It's because of the 'first-past-the-post' voting system. Essentially, it's broken. 4 Million votes amount to nothing because of it. When we tried to vote to have the system changed back in 2011 so each vote really would count, the government started spreading this propaganda;






And over 60% voted no.


It sounds like a truly rigged system.

The only parliamentary system I follow is Israel's. Their system has each vote count (as long as a party meets a minimum threshold)

Could you explain this "first past the post system"? a bit further
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It could have been worse Labour could have got back in Red Ed could be Pm now (shock, horror) and sure UKIP got more votes than SNP but they were not in the same constituencies and Scotland has 10% the population that England has and most always vote either Tory, Lib Dem or Labour because they always have before. Hopefully in the next 5 years they can build up their reputation with the public and media and attract more votes in 2020.
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Posted 5/8/15

eightcar wrote:
It sounds like a truly rigged system.

The only parliamentary system I follow is Israel's. Their system has each vote count (as long as a party meets a minimum threshold)

Could you explain this "first past the post system"? a bit further


It explains all about it here - http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/first-past-the-post
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I might be wrong, but I thought Farage and UKIP were kinda like the UK's version of the Tea Party?
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