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Posted 5/8/15

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My college is being paid through FAFSA and TAP (as someone brought up). Most of my friends have to pay for college from their own pocket. Some of them have their tuition covered, but they have to pay for textbooks. For the most part, they are only concerned with leaving school. I want to stay in school as long as possible because the real world scares me

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Are there not web sites that rate professors at a school? Those are generally reliable (as much as any review).

Developing a personal relationship with the professor of any sort makes them much more interested in you. I'm making assumptions, but with a free educational system with lots of students that don't care, the professors that *do* care may be pretty exasperated by all the other kids and assume you are like them.

I've always found questions about material during classes (provided it isn't a straight lecture), and about the field that they teach is a great way to flip their switch.

This is not just college -- everywhere in life, people are overworked and underpaid, and will put in effort with you generally only after you've shown an interest in them. And there are always people who will do the bare minimum because they don't really care at all. My colleges were not free, but there was always a majority of students that just didn't seem to care much, not as much as I did.

In short: Showing up and getting straight A's doesn't build the teacher-student relationship like actual communication. You can get more from your teachers if you put just a drop to get them started. Most teachers are teachers because they wanted to teach.

If you can't talk during class, they probably have office hours, or are part of some club or something. Make an appointment and talk about your concerns. I'm sure a lot will be more than happy to give you extra assignments or advice -- since nobody else goes to them for those kinds of things

Don't simply question the tests, push deeper into topics with 'Why' questions. "I know the answer is X, but why is that?"
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FlyinDumpling wrote:

My college is being paid through FAFSA and TAP (as someone brought up). Most of my friends have to pay for college from their own pocket. Some of them have their tuition covered, but they have to pay for textbooks. For the most part, they are only concerned with leaving school. I want to stay in school as long as possible because the real world scares me

What's TAP?
The New York State Tuition Assistance Program (TAP)
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Balance my friends; Nothing is perfect. I should also add, the United States does, in fact, provide some of the finest teaching professors in the world. These University's also offer exceptional programs. That should explain the unreasonably high tuition. Everything good comes at a cost.
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Hey y'all.

I feel like I just need to post my opinion on some things because my friends on facebook, who are mainly from the U.S. keep posting and complaining about college tuition.

I was really happy to get the opportunity to live in a country of where my college tuition is already paid for by the government, but as I have studied for almost a year now at Norway's top university I can't help but think of the many downsides to this "free" college system.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I love the idea of a "free" college and the fact that I will most likely enter the next stage in my life pretty much debt free, but this is what I've experienced so far:

- College professors don't care about you as much as they should. I have now experienced MULTIPLE times of which I have had the opportunity to receive help as a newcomer to uni but all of the times I had this opportunity, college professors have let me down by "forgetting" to read my paper or only giving me 10 minutes of guidance when, in reality, they could have spared 30 when student's didn't even show up and gave me very basic advice.

- Students are EXTREMELY lazy. No one cares about work ethic here because if they fail a class, they can always try again next year in order to not have to pay the equivalent of normal college tuition (basically everything is free up until the moment you don't pass the class). I kid you not, IN EVERY. GODDAMN. SEMINAR I have been the only student, amongst very few others that actually show an interest in attending. On average, at the very end of each class it's roughly only 3-5 students out of 40 that bother to show up. Which brings me to my final point:

- I feel like I don't even need to show up to class. I can just read the assigned books they give me and still pass, which makes me think: what exactly am I going to university for? This isn't truly "free" if I can essentially just pay (yes we do need to pay for the books, which are VERY expensive) to be "self-taught".


My thoughts are basically this: what's the point if I'm basically on my own here? In some ways, I would rather want to PAY for excellent professors and an awesome college experience than be thrown out to sea where it's sink or swim. I'm basically just blindly attempting my best at college with so little help from both professors and students.

Thoughts??????

That's rough, now imagine finishing school $150,000 in debt..
Posted 5/8/15 , edited 5/8/15
Don't worry. It's the same with self-paid tuitions.

We have to pay for our own tuition here in Australia. And honestly, lecturers and tutors don't give a ___ about any of us. lol.

I did go to the one of top universities in Aus. I think I should have went to a countryside one, I think people in the city are just too busy with their lives or something.

_________

it's honestly just one of those grass is green on the other side things. You should appreciate your free college. It's better than paying for it yourself and still getting s__ lecturers.
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I think community college should be free, since it, or I like to think at least, benefits future generations. However 4 years no, they need funds so they can afford the best of the best for those hard working students.
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I think community college should be free, since it, or I like to think at least, benefits future generations. However 4 years no, they need funds so they can afford the best of the best for those hard working students.


Ah, but would you be open to tuition free tertiary education at four year institutions on the basis of performance on a qualifying examination? That seems a fair compromise.
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mesomuffin wrote:

Hey y'all.

I feel like I just need to post my opinion on some things because my friends on facebook, who are mainly from the U.S. keep posting and complaining about college tuition.

I was really happy to get the opportunity to live in a country of where my college tuition is already paid for by the government, but as I have studied for almost a year now at Norway's top university I can't help but think of the many downsides to this "free" college system.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I love the idea of a "free" college and the fact that I will most likely enter the next stage in my life pretty much debt free, but this is what I've experienced so far:

- College professors don't care about you as much as they should. I have now experienced MULTIPLE times of which I have had the opportunity to receive help as a newcomer to uni but all of the times I had this opportunity, college professors have let me down by "forgetting" to read my paper or only giving me 10 minutes of guidance when, in reality, they could have spared 30 when student's didn't even show up and gave me very basic advice.

- Students are EXTREMELY lazy. No one cares about work ethic here because if they fail a class, they can always try again next year in order to not have to pay the equivalent of normal college tuition (basically everything is free up until the moment you don't pass the class). I kid you not, IN EVERY. GODDAMN. SEMINAR I have been the only student, amongst very few others that actually show an interest in attending. On average, at the very end of each class it's roughly only 3-5 students out of 40 that bother to show up. Which brings me to my final point:

- I feel like I don't even need to show up to class. I can just read the assigned books they give me and still pass, which makes me think: what exactly am I going to university for? This isn't truly "free" if I can essentially just pay (yes we do need to pay for the books, which are VERY expensive) to be "self-taught".


My thoughts are basically this: what's the point if I'm basically on my own here? In some ways, I would rather want to PAY for excellent professors and an awesome college experience than be thrown out to sea where it's sink or swim. I'm basically just blindly attempting my best at college with so little help from both professors and students.

Thoughts??????


In America the professor's don't care either. Well as long as you paid for this year's $500 edition of their yearly published book.

Students are lazy in highschool. Wouldn't you agree it's better to have education opportunities for lazy and apathetic people than it is to deny education to the poor? And that's the thing about college. You aren't necessarily there for the education, but the degree. It doesn't matter if you're the smartest person in the world on tech. Someone who doesn't know the difference between Ethernet and an HDMI but has a degree will still get hired over you. So all in all, every problem you listed about free college is either a problem that's apparent in every college or is something that's preferable to the alternative.

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mesomuffin wrote:

Hey y'all.

I feel like I just need to post my opinion on some things because my friends on facebook, who are mainly from the U.S. keep posting and complaining about college tuition.

I was really happy to get the opportunity to live in a country of where my college tuition is already paid for by the government, but as I have studied for almost a year now at Norway's top university I can't help but think of the many downsides to this "free" college system.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I love the idea of a "free" college and the fact that I will most likely enter the next stage in my life pretty much debt free, but this is what I've experienced so far:

- College professors don't care about you as much as they should. I have now experienced MULTIPLE times of which I have had the opportunity to receive help as a newcomer to uni but all of the times I had this opportunity, college professors have let me down by "forgetting" to read my paper or only giving me 10 minutes of guidance when, in reality, they could have spared 30 when student's didn't even show up and gave me very basic advice.

- Students are EXTREMELY lazy. No one cares about work ethic here because if they fail a class, they can always try again next year in order to not have to pay the equivalent of normal college tuition (basically everything is free up until the moment you don't pass the class). I kid you not, IN EVERY. GODDAMN. SEMINAR I have been the only student, amongst very few others that actually show an interest in attending. On average, at the very end of each class it's roughly only 3-5 students out of 40 that bother to show up. Which brings me to my final point:

- I feel like I don't even need to show up to class. I can just read the assigned books they give me and still pass, which makes me think: what exactly am I going to university for? This isn't truly "free" if I can essentially just pay (yes we do need to pay for the books, which are VERY expensive) to be "self-taught".


My thoughts are basically this: what's the point if I'm basically on my own here? In some ways, I would rather want to PAY for excellent professors and an awesome college experience than be thrown out to sea where it's sink or swim. I'm basically just blindly attempting my best at college with so little help from both professors and students.

Thoughts??????


depends on your teachers and the schools reputation. Most people in my college used sites like ratemyprofessor.com and such. Basically avoiding bad or non-compatible teachers.

Students are lazy everywhere. In my college they had an attendance policy, if you missed too much you failed.

I never opened a textbook until my 3rd year. I never had to really but that was a mistake I would come to regret later.

Good professors are really needed and at least at my college they were rated by their students. Often times teachers would offer incentives to get students to review them. They didn't care what rating you gave them. They would use it to improve their score next year. It was a way for them to work toward tenure.
Posted 5/9/15
Come to America, shoulder some student loan debts, and see if you still feel the same afterwards.

The professors and students are not much different, by the way. Just so you know.
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mesomuffin wrote:

Hey y'all.

I feel like I just need to post my opinion on some things because my friends on facebook, who are mainly from the U.S. keep posting and complaining about college tuition.

I was really happy to get the opportunity to live in a country of where my college tuition is already paid for by the government, but as I have studied for almost a year now at Norway's top university I can't help but think of the many downsides to this "free" college system.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I love the idea of a "free" college and the fact that I will most likely enter the next stage in my life pretty much debt free, but this is what I've experienced so far:

- College professors don't care about you as much as they should. I have now experienced MULTIPLE times of which I have had the opportunity to receive help as a newcomer to uni but all of the times I had this opportunity, college professors have let me down by "forgetting" to read my paper or only giving me 10 minutes of guidance when, in reality, they could have spared 30 when student's didn't even show up and gave me very basic advice.

- Students are EXTREMELY lazy. No one cares about work ethic here because if they fail a class, they can always try again next year in order to not have to pay the equivalent of normal college tuition (basically everything is free up until the moment you don't pass the class). I kid you not, IN EVERY. GODDAMN. SEMINAR I have been the only student, amongst very few others that actually show an interest in attending. On average, at the very end of each class it's roughly only 3-5 students out of 40 that bother to show up. Which brings me to my final point:

- I feel like I don't even need to show up to class. I can just read the assigned books they give me and still pass, which makes me think: what exactly am I going to university for? This isn't truly "free" if I can essentially just pay (yes we do need to pay for the books, which are VERY expensive) to be "self-taught".


My thoughts are basically this: what's the point if I'm basically on my own here? In some ways, I would rather want to PAY for excellent professors and an awesome college experience than be thrown out to sea where it's sink or swim. I'm basically just blindly attempting my best at college with so little help from both professors and students.

Thoughts??????


At least in the US our grandparents' generation is being stingy. They got to benefit from unprecedented government funding and then since when they retired they keep voting to cut it and stick the bill to us. Our generation is going to have a lower level of economic mobility and standard of living than our parents. I know I lot of people who live at home well into their 20s (me included) because we are drowning in debt. It's frustrating. Maybe only make college free for the first year and require a certain GPA and academic progress to renew it for the following year, that would weed out the bums at least give everyone one chance of bettering their live through education. Tech education should also be included in such a strategy.

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FlyinDumpling wrote:

My college is being paid through FAFSA and TAP (as someone brought up). Most of my friends have to pay for college from their own pocket. Some of them have their tuition covered, but they have to pay for textbooks. For the most part, they are only concerned with leaving school. I want to stay in school as long as possible because the real world scares me

What's TAP?


Lucky that New York has such a program. For many of the middle class the US government claims we are "rich" or something when we file FAFSA so they screw us on government aid (get nothing) and only give us high interest guaranteed loans that can't be discharged in bankruptcy, lucky us.
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i feel like that at that point, the burden is one the students for the most part. So, even with the free college tuition and they still can't take advantage of that opportunity, then there is hardly anyone they can blame other than themselves. I feel like some people won't take it seriously but a majority of students will. It's definitely a better alternative than having to take out all these loans just to get an education.
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Thank god I live where uni tuition fee's are free. The fact you have to pay as much as you do to get a degree in the US is atrocious. If you personally don't mind and have the money to pay for your tuition that's cool, but just imagine being someone who can't which is the majority of people who either are or want to attend uni.
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