Post Reply refutation of Scripture and proselytizing.
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Posted 5/8/15 , edited 5/8/15
So I have looked through crunchyroll's forums before and I see a lot of people just saying how the Bible is wrong. I see in these same groups just a bunch of people that believe the same way. All they do is fan their own flames without having any second opinions or anything. Personally I think that is unhealthy. Even though I am a Christian I have some friends that don't believe the same way I do, but at the same time they can't refuse anything I tell them. Anyways I just think that it would be better for the people who say the Bible is wrong to look into the Scriptures and see for themselves. On facebook I am having a discussion with an atheist that has gone on for 3 days now and he can't not refute my beliefs because I have showed him how every single piece of Scripture does not contradict. He is giving me more and more questions and yeah they are hard, some I can't answer on the spot, but with just a little bit of study I have been able to answer all the questions he's come up with these past 3 days and now he is starting to repeat himself which kinda proves my point but don't tell him that lol. Anyways I am saying don't let people say those things in groups without a fight! I mean most of the time there contradictions or arguments are based on 1 verse against another but don't continue reading where the context actually proves both verses right. For example, the Bible says do not kill or murder (depending on which version you read), but God commands the Israelites to kill other people as they are going on their way to the promise land. An atheist sees this as a contradiction, but they fail to look at the context of the command. God gave that command for and to Israel it does not pertain to other countries or people, but at the same time the word used their is not so simple as "do not kill" rather it is to say do not intentionally take someones life without reason. So wars, battles, political assassinations, even swordplay for sport where someone dies does not invoke the punishments of that verse. In addition, this is a command, but that doesn't mean everyone follows it. David committed murder and God scolded him for it, just because someone commits an act that breaks God's Law doesn't mean that it's a contradiction, but rather that David was human lol!

On the point of proselytizing I give you an atheist reference. https://youtu.be/6md638smQd8 This is a video of Penn says by Penn Jillette which I do not condone watching outside this video because most of them contain profanity, and sexual jokes, but make your own decisions on that. Anyways, in this video an atheist (Penn) states how proselytizing is not a bad thing nor should you look at it as one.
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Posted 5/28/15
The thing is... do you think those people want to be converted, to accept? They already have set firmly in their minds that the Bible is a book of fairy tales. When they are immersed in an environment that mocks it, even if they see the truth they will most likely regress to their previous, sceptical stage. I used to be one of them. I used to bully Christians, start arguments with them just to stir up indignation in their hearts, make them angry, see them stumble in their own principles. I made fun of the Bible as I made fun of the Twilight Saga, both of which I had not even read. I despised Christians like I despised Twilight fans, for no reason other than pleasure. Of course, I would hide that ugly reason behind false, more noble motives and the great majority of people would still agree with me and back me up and add to my bullying. The truth is, there is much, much pleasure in hating, in bullying. It makes you feel more powerful, more intelligent than what you are. I lived in darkness and I loved it. Try to shine a light in the eyes of someone who has always lived in darkness; they close their eyes, they cower, they flee, they hate it because it hurts them.
Because I know how my own heart used to be, I don't make an effort to convince people about God, Jesus, and the Bible. I was not brought to Jesus by words, I was punished. I was made to feel both His wrath and His love in my own heart. I can only pray that God will, too, intervene in the lives of those non-believers.
Maybe in the future I'll have better arguments and knowledge of the Bible to talk to them. It's been, after all, only a year. Right now, I have to BE and ACT and WORK according to God's words. I will be before I teach
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If someone asks about God or the bible, even if it's an attempt to bully. It shows they have at least some interest in the matter. It's important to answer these questions confidently and ground them in scripture. They probably won't have an immediate impact, but if that person later begins to consider God, they're going to remember that conversation.
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Posted 8/17/16 , edited 8/17/16
So many haven't even read the bible, let alone tested it. Any one who takes an honest look at the evidence finds that it is rational. Right now I'm reading "Cold Case Christianity" by J Warner Wallace. He is a cold murder case detective who tested the new testament documents and found them to be reliable eye witness accounts. The other book I'm reading is "I don't have enough Faith to be an Atheist" by Norman Gisller and Frank Turek. In it they talk about the relationship between Faith and evidence and the evidence that weighs toward Faith in God.
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Posted 8/23/16
It honestly depends on your mindset when you read it. I've read the bible all the way through as both an atheist and as a believer. Completely different experiences.
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Posted 27 days ago , edited 27 days ago
I don't argue, I explain.

I explain something, and if people want to attack it, I just explain.

A lot of people just assume things. All that has to be done is to show them things that run contrary to their assumptions. That's all it takes. It's a start.

If you stay in the light, and don't let people drag you into the darkness, in time they will start to see the darkness that they're in and perhaps reconsider their thoughts. However, you have to let them do it themselves; You can't force them to or flat out tell them to. That never works.

People change their own minds, or God does it. You can never do it for them.
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