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It's Mothers' Day.

Women, in many cases, have the same rights as men.

But the New Feminist movement includes a lot of angry people who feel women don't have those same rights across the board. I am one of those people, just not so angry.

Outspoken feminists escalate light issues and are constantly shut down and ignored, labeled SJWs by the internet communities that don't care. And it's not wrong of the internet to shut down these ideals, nor is it wrong to recognize issues and be extremely upset.

But ideals are what the people can get behind. So it's not that surprising when a person who has recently experienced sexism in a way that they can understand speaks out in a public/anonymous way. And it's not surprising that sometimes people get really upset and lash out in ways that hurt their own arguments.

Both sides are guilty, so we should treat it as an exchange instead of a debate.

The bigger point is self expression vs community And I believe women are treated differently by the community and are less able to express themselves, while understanding that sometimes when men express themselves it can be awful. It can be just as awful with women.

SJW is a term that is meant to scar a person, I'm glad it is left out of CR. Everyone is entitled to their own experience and opinion.

In light of Mothers' Day, I would like to read your opinions on feminism and the people who support feminism while you are thinking about your mother.

She's a human with her own frustrations and troubles too!
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Feminism is merely another ploy, like all other "isms" (capitalism, fascism, marxism, etc.) to distract the little people from the salvation that is Technocracy and the Singularity. The reason people actually care about political bullsh|t and "social issues" in the first place is because they lack the primordial necessities of the animal known as homo sapiens: food, clothing, shelter, security and pleasure. Humans don't really want "freedom", and they want "equality" even less; what they really want is to eat and bang. Some want to fight too, but mostly eat and bang. Now imagine a system that guarantees the bare necessities for all humans, without having to break your back with 9 to 5 labor to obtain them, such a system would be the post-scarcity economy that moves beyond the price system. Both capitalists and marxists aim to silence discussion as to such a system, as they know their obtuse ideologies would become obsolete. Humans would enjoy a far greater standard of living without being engulfed in the endless man against man system of political debate and enmity, no longer forced to compete over resources and to justify their shortcomings by seeing oppression everywhere. Politics will not save us, religion will not save us, only science can save us. The way I see things, all politics, feminism included, is a monumental waste of time and energy, and you should be pursuing a career in science if you truly want to help the world. In the forthcoming generation, only a handful of dingbats will still care about such concepts as inequality and "social justice", and you can thank a scientist for that. They're doing the work that "social" scientists are only pretending to do.
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My opinion on feminism huh. In my opinion it's fine in some cases. Keyword being some. When women say video games/movies do something just to show women as tools it annoys me. There are real reasons for women to protest or fight for rights. Earlier today, and pardon my bad memory, I remember reading it is ok in a country I forget to rape a woman if she is not with a man. This is a case where there should be a protest. On the other hand are the "feminazis" that say video games or movies show woman as tools. These cases aren't cases for equal ism. These are cases for wanting superiority. You don't need to hold open the door for a man but if you don't for a woman its GG. So basically my opinion on feminism is they need to focus more on real reasons they should be fighting for. I'm sure I'm going to be hated for this opinion.

Tl;dr (opinion I will be hated for incoming.) More focus towards real reasons to fight for required.
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AdiRagnarocker wrote:

Feminism is merely another ploy, like all other "isms" (capitalism, fascism, marxism, etc.) to distract the little people from the salvation that is Technocracy and the Singularity. The reason people actually care about political bullsh|t and "social issues" in the first place is because they lack the primordial necessities of the animal known as homo sapiens: food, clothing, shelter, security and pleasure. Humans don't really want "freedom", and they want "equality" even less; what they really want is to eat and bang. Some want to fight too, but mostly eat and bang. Now imagine a system that guarantees the bare necessities for all humans, without having to break your back with 9 to 5 labor to obtain them, such a system would be the post-scarcity economy that moves beyond the price system. Both capitalists and marxists aim to silence discussion as to such a system, as they know their obtuse ideologies would become obsolete. Humans would enjoy a far greater standard of living without being engulfed in the endless man against man system of political debate and enmity, no longer forced to compete over resources and to justify their shortcomings by seeing oppression everywhere. Politics will not save us, religion will not save us, only science can save us. The way I see things, all politics, feminism included, is a monumental waste of time and energy, and you should be pursuing a career in science if you truly want to help the world. In the forthcoming generation, only a handful of dingbats will still care about such concepts as inequality and "social justice", and you can thank a scientist for that. They're doing the work that "social" scientists are only pretending to do.


Staying with the feminist motif.Have you ever read Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein"?
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My mother will most likely tell feminists they are all idiots and should refrain from speaking on her behalf.
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I'm not really sure what is being portrayed by the set up paragraphs.Feminists seem to be all about improving women's lot in society or at least what society's perceptions of women are.Some seem to want to perpetuate the movement at the expense of women's individuality which is where I think they run into resistance.I've met many women that resent Feminists for the perception that their advocacy and views are endorsed by every women .I have little exposure or problems with the movement and labels like the aforementioned acronyms have been used historically to dismiss or minimize a movement as the work of zealots when they bump up against more conservative ideology and religion..
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Check out Rules for Radicals

[The rules[1]

“Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
“Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
“Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
“Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
“A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
“A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
“Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
“The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
“If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
“The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.]
Posted 5/10/15
There are some things that need to change for women though, let's be honest.

I'll just leave these here --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_India#Rape_statistics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing

http://rt.com/news/213615-isis-sex-slave-children/
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AiYumega wrote:

There are some things that need to change for women though, let's be honest.

I'll just leave these here --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_India#Rape_statistics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing

http://rt.com/news/213615-isis-sex-slave-children/


Agreed.

Go tell them feminists to move there and help those people.
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jaykirbydudee wrote:

You don't need to hold open the door for a man but if you don't for a woman its GG.

Tl;dr (opinion I will be hated for incoming.) More focus towards real reasons to fight for required.


Myself, I don't go out of the way to hold a door for anyone but if I notice someone behind me or approaching from the front I will sort of give the door a bit of an extra bump with maybe a bit more torso turn while walking to extend the duration of the opening. I try to be discrete as possible to avoid putting people into the obligatory thanking-mode.

On topic though, in my personal experience the type of women who prefer such gestures usually are either fine with traditional ideals or are no-nonsense type of people who can accept basic human decency without turning it into a social issue. The noise generated by all the trivial nonsense is masking more serious problems.
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morechunch wrote:

It's Mothers' Day.

Women, in many cases, have the same rights as men.

But the New Feminist movement includes a lot of angry people who feel women don't have those same rights across the board. I am one of those people, just not so angry.

Outspoken feminists escalate light issues and are constantly shut down and ignored, labeled SJWs by the internet communities that don't care. And it's not wrong of the internet to shut down these ideals, nor is it wrong to recognize issues and be extremely upset.

But ideals are what the people can get behind. So it's not that surprising when a person who has recently experienced sexism in a way that they can understand speaks out in a public/anonymous way. And it's not surprising that sometimes people get really upset and lash out in ways that hurt their own arguments.

Both sides are guilty, so we should treat it as an exchange instead of a debate.

The bigger point is self expression vs community And I believe women are treated differently by the community and are less able to express themselves, while understanding that sometimes when men express themselves it can be awful. It can be just as awful with women.

SJW is a term that is meant to scar a person, I'm glad it is left out of CR. Everyone is entitled to their own experience and opinion.

In light of Mothers' Day, I would like to read your opinions on feminism and the people who support feminism while you are thinking about your mother.

She's a human with her own frustrations and troubles too!


I do not see a difference in the rights of men and women, the only real difference I see is women cannot go topless in some states. If you have any other differences please let me know with proof, if you have enough I might join your cause.
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What's with this topic that brings out the unabomber type manifestoes?"The leftist is oriented toward largescale collectivism. He emphasizes the duty of the individual to serve society and the duty of society to take care of the individual. He has a negative attitude toward individualism. He often takes a moralistic tone. He tends to be for gun control, for sex education and other psychologically "enlightened" educational methods, for planning, for affirmative action, for multiculturalism. He tends to identify with victims. He tends to be against competition and against violence, but he often finds excuses for those leftists who do commit violence. He is fond of using the common catch-phrases of the left like 'racism, ' 'sexism, ' 'homophobia, ' 'capitalism,' 'imperialism,' 'neocolonialism ' 'genocide,' 'social change,' 'social justice,' 'social responsibility.' Maybe the best diagnostic trait of the leftist is his tendency to sympathize with the following movements: feminism, gay rights, ethnic rights, disability rights, animal rights political correctness. Anyone who strongly sympathizes with ALL of these movements is almost certainly a leftist."This is just an example not an endorsement.
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AdiRagnarocker wrote:

Feminism is merely another ploy, like all other "isms" (capitalism, fascism, marxism, etc.) to distract the little people from the salvation that is Technocracy and the Singularity. The reason people actually care about political bullsh|t and "social issues" in the first place is because they lack the primordial necessities of the animal known as homo sapiens: food, clothing, shelter, security and pleasure. Humans don't really want "freedom", and they want "equality" even less; what they really want is to eat and bang. Some want to fight too, but mostly eat and bang. Now imagine a system that guarantees the bare necessities for all humans, without having to break your back with 9 to 5 labor to obtain them, such a system would be the post-scarcity economy that moves beyond the price system. Both capitalists and marxists aim to silence discussion as to such a system, as they know their obtuse ideologies would become obsolete. Humans would enjoy a far greater standard of living without being engulfed in the endless man against man system of political debate and enmity, no longer forced to compete over resources and to justify their shortcomings by seeing oppression everywhere. Politics will not save us, religion will not save us, only science can save us. The way I see things, all politics, feminism included, is a monumental waste of time and energy, and you should be pursuing a career in science if you truly want to help the world. In the forthcoming generation, only a handful of dingbats will still care about such concepts as inequality and "social justice", and you can thank a scientist for that. They're doing the work that "social" scientists are only pretending to do.


interesting view on it.
Posted 5/10/15
I'm just that guy who comments on some shit and SJW come and make me feel like the biggest asshole ever for saying something like, I really like my girlfriend.
Like fuck man, never knew that I can't say, I like my girlfriend.
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Don't really like aspects of feminism, you can't ignore that there are two different genders and that there are differences between them.
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