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Frankly, I find it much more appalling that an ideology could be compatible with the tactic of invoking a recently murded individual to deflect inquiry as to the validity of said ideology. It reveals just how fringe such ideology is. As well as those willing to espouse it.


Would you have felt the same way about civil rights activists after the deaths of Emmit Till, Medgar Evers and James Byrd Jr.?


As I said, if it is to deflect valid inquiry, it does call into question the validity of a movement if it is unable to present a logical argument and must instead rely upon emotional manipulation.


Mr. Maxgale! Mr. Maxgale! Question for the press. How does one venting that he is personally sick of seeing all the hate against feminists in light of recent events amount to causing valid inquiry to be deflected? How does one deny all the good a movement is doing and insist its all of awful cause he personally disagrees with what one or two of its principles and criticisms it levels against things?

Heres the fucking deal. You people who say shit like "SJW" are not making valid inquires into feminism. Your trying to right off an entire movement because there are a couple things you dont like about it. I was once like you I once laid in the "fuck feminism cause Anita sarkeesian said this thing" camp and i realize whats happening. Over petty stuff an entire generation of young men are starting to hate and right o all of feminisms points cause they disagree with some of them.
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As I said, if it is to deflect valid inquiry, it does call into question the validity of a movement if it is unable to present a logical argument and must instead rely upon emotional manipulation.


You might need to clarify your answer, because it looks very much like an affirmative.

Additionally, you did exactly what you accused hobbit of by trying lay the guilt trip on him.
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Thing is these threads are never "valid inquires into feminism" sure there are some valid inquires in them but overall they right off all the good the movement does based on one or two minor disagreements. As much as people online like to pretend differently the whole criticisning the media part of feminism is a rather small but important part to feminism. Kinda like the people who right off all the good stuff Religion does based on one or two disagreements.
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You know maybe I went to hard in this thread. No I do not think disagreeing with feminism makes you a sexist. No I do not think all people who dont identify as feminists are awful people.
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You know maybe I went to hard in this thread. No I do not think disagreeing with feminism makes you a sexist. No I do not think all people who dont identify as feminists are awful people.


That's good. A lot of them DO. Someone once told me that anyone who isn't feminist is against equality, which is bull. That sort of you're-either-for-or-against-me mentality doesn't do the world any favors. Not only does it not find favor among men, it also turns men against the feminists, doing wonders for the movement. To me, complete equality is an unattainable goal, like world peace. So, the goal ought to be reasonable equality and, just as with most stuff in life, there are several ways to reach one destination.
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You know maybe I went to hard in this thread. No I do not think disagreeing with feminism makes you a sexist. No I do not think all people who dont identify as feminists are awful people.


That's good. A lot of them DO. Someone once told me that anyone who isn't feminist is against equality, which is bull. That sort of you're-either-for-or-against-me mentality doesn't do the world any favors. Not only does it not find favor among men, it also turns men against the feminists, doing wonders for the movement. To me, complete equality is an unattainable goal, like world peace. So, the goal ought to be reasonable equality and, just as with most other things in life, there are several ways to reach one destination.


Yes but thats what there trying to do. There speaking out against campus violence and it cost someones life. I dont see how anyone can disagree that its not a noble and necessary goal that feminism is trying to achieve with this.

I think the biggest misconception about feminism that exists is that it runs on a "you're-either-for-or-against-me mentality" that alot of people thinks it does. If one actually looks at feminism they can see a thousand different viewpoints being pushed around but people just choose to focus on one.

Ideological purity is harmful in any movement.
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I believe that feminism does stand for equality, simply because it's the feminine traits that are looked down upon. That's why it's inclusive to both men and women. So you can't really say "lulz equality, not feminism!" It's not "Female" in the feminism, it's "Feminine". Because men can't do things that are considered "feminine" because it makes them weak. This includes wearing feminine clothing, and makeup. There's nothing wrong with that, but to a lot of people, there is. That's why I believe feminism is still relevant, and oppression hasn't really died down. There are still so many issues today that requires the presence of feminism.

But it's a lot less oppressing in countries like the U.S., that's something I agree with. I stand with all women around the world who suffer worse than we do. But it's not a competition. Feminism is still relevant and inclusive to everyone still suffering, no matter where you are in the world.

My mom deserves nothing but the best. She's been through so many hardships. And has gotten so much shit for it. She's one of the strongest people I know, and I thank her for raising me the way I am today. ♥
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maxgale wrote:


As I said, if it is to deflect valid inquiry, it does call into question the validity of a movement if it is unable to present a logical argument and must instead rely upon emotional manipulation.


You might need to clarify your answer, because it looks very much like an affirmative.

Additionally, you did exactly what you accused hobbit of by trying lay the guilt trip on him.




I don't see the need to clarify. The example you gave is compatible with what I stated.

And I don't seevwhat you are claiming with my supposed "guilt tripping" of anyone. I did nothing except quote the fellow.
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Mr. Maxgale! Mr. Maxgale! Question for the press. How does one venting that he is personally sick of seeing all the hate against feminists in light of recent events amount to causing valid inquiry to be deflected? How does one deny all the good a movement is doing and insist its all of awful cause he personally disagrees with what one or two of its principles and criticisms it levels against things?

Heres the fucking deal. You people who say shit like "SJW" are not making valid inquires into feminism. Your trying to right off an entire movement because there are a couple things you dont like about it. I was once like you I once laid in the "fuck feminism cause Anita sarkeesian said this thing" camp and i realize whats happening. Over petty stuff an entire generation of young men are starting to hate and right o all of feminisms points cause they disagree with some of them.


Because you have yet to offer a coherent rebuttal, much less assert any evidence to your claims.

It really is that simple.
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Mr. Maxgale! Mr. Maxgale! Question for the press. How does one venting that he is personally sick of seeing all the hate against feminists in light of recent events amount to causing valid inquiry to be deflected? How does one deny all the good a movement is doing and insist its all of awful cause he personally disagrees with what one or two of its principles and criticisms it levels against things?

Heres the fucking deal. You people who say shit like "SJW" are not making valid inquires into feminism. Your trying to right off an entire movement because there are a couple things you dont like about it. I was once like you I once laid in the "fuck feminism cause Anita sarkeesian said this thing" camp and i realize whats happening. Over petty stuff an entire generation of young men are starting to hate and right o all of feminisms points cause they disagree with some of them.


Because you have yet to offer a coherent rebuttal, much less assert any evidence to your claims.

It really is that simple.


A rebuttal to what? That I through the thing out as a guilt trip? Theres no way to 100% prove that besides my word but I guarantee I didn't throw it out as a guilt trip.

That it happened?
http://www.businessinsider.com/grace-rebecca-mann-strangled-to-death-2015-5
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There is nothing wrong with citing their murders, especially since the reasons behind said murders prove the necessity of each movement.
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maxgale wrote:


megahobbit wrote:


Mr. Maxgale! Mr. Maxgale! Question for the press. How does one venting that he is personally sick of seeing all the hate against feminists in light of recent events amount to causing valid inquiry to be deflected? How does one deny all the good a movement is doing and insist its all of awful cause he personally disagrees with what one or two of its principles and criticisms it levels against things?

Heres the fucking deal. You people who say shit like "SJW" are not making valid inquires into feminism. Your trying to right off an entire movement because there are a couple things you dont like about it. I was once like you I once laid in the "fuck feminism cause Anita sarkeesian said this thing" camp and i realize whats happening. Over petty stuff an entire generation of young men are starting to hate and right o all of feminisms points cause they disagree with some of them.


Because you have yet to offer a coherent rebuttal, much less assert any evidence to your claims.

It really is that simple.


A rebuttal to what? That I through the thing out as a guilt trip? Theres no way to 100% prove that besides my word but I guarantee I didn't throw it out as a guilt trip.

That it happened?
http://www.businessinsider.com/grace-rebecca-mann-strangled-to-death-2015-5



That the motive for it was her beliefs. Or, even then, that it is anything but an anomaly. That there is manifest sexism in society, or that feminists are the "only ones" fighting it. In addition to other claims.


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There is nothing wrong with citing their murders, especially since the reasons behind said murders prove the necessity of each movement.


Except that wasn't what you asked. That conclusion can't be reached on the premise you offered.
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That the motive for it was her beliefs. Or, even then, that it is anything but an anomaly. That there is manifest sexism in society, or that feminists are the "only ones" fighting it. In addition to other claims.


Did you read the article? Its pretty obvious that it was based on her beliefs based on the death threats she was getting because of her beliefs. If it looks like a fish and smells like a fish its probably a fucking fish.
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megahobbit wrote:


maxgale wrote:

That the motive for it was her beliefs. Or, even then, that it is anything but an anomaly. That there is manifest sexism in society, or that feminists are the "only ones" fighting it. In addition to other claims.


Did you read the article? Its pretty obvious that it was based on her beliefs based on the death threats she was getting because of her beliefs. If it looks like a fish and smells like a fish its probably a fucking fish.


Conversely:



"Authorities have not revealed a motive, and Feminists United members said they had no evidence connecting Mann’s killing to the Yik Yak threats or her activism on campus."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/before-death-of-student-an-altercation-with-her-roommate/2015/05/07/276ea926-f4f1-11e4-b2f3-af5479e6bbdd_story.html
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Did you read the article? Its pretty obvious that it was based on her beliefs based on the death threats she was getting because of her beliefs. If it looks like a fish and smells like a fish its probably a fucking fish.


Unless it's not a fish. In which case you probably need to take a shower and get glasses.
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