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Who are you shipping in My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU?
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Posted 5/13/15 , edited 5/13/15
I don't think Hachi will ever find a relationship within his circle of acquaintances to be entirely honest. This interpretation is somewhat contradictory to the current direction of the light novel, but it just wouldn't feel right for him to end up with any single person -- or rather it's unjustifiable at this point. If it had to be one of the girls we know and love then I'd argue Iroha is likely the best candidate even though I don't personally ship her.
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Posted 5/13/15 , edited 5/13/15

TripleBakaKimidori wrote:

maxgale wrote:

MacMeaties wrote:

maxgale wrote:
Isn't that on her though? Her tsundere schtick. I didn't view 8mans POV as willing to perpetuate the status quo, but recognizing he doesn't have the power to change it. Every time he did, he got flak from other characters, especially Hayano and Yui. The difference between actively creating their artificial relationships and protecting them, versus simply not opposing them.

It is completely on her. It is also part of her over dependence on others. Something that 8man, thanks to Haruno, becomes quite heavily involved in dealing with. Relationships and dealing with feelings/discovering what a genuine relationship and trust is are very heavy themes within this series. As the series progresses 8man realises that leaving it alone causes its own problems and that he needs to find another way to deal with situations beside ignoring it or his self sacrifice route; both of which are equally destructive in different ways.

The series seems unable to adequately convey that, at least during this season. It has yet to offer any explanation for how 8man went from being a total loner to caring enough to get involved in strangers affairs. It even addressed that is who he stilll is, when he prioritized his sisters informal request over the formal request to the club. If that is still the case, and 8man wasn't being an unreliable narrator, then simply ignoring others is still a valid choice for his established character and the themes of the series: they aren't genuine, so why get involved? Trust is lost in translation from motive to action, etc.

Is it just that the anime isn't adapting explanations given in the light novels?

8man = tsundere

I dunno, I get more of a kuudere vibe from him.

henohenomoheiji wrote:

I know that there is a lot of Yuri and BL fandom around, so everyone is entitled to their own dreams and hopes. (´・ω・)ノ

Taking that aside, though, I really believe that Yui is the actual best girl for Hachiman. She has really loved him since the very beginning and she really tries so hard to make Hachiman notice her and her feelings, even though Hachiman is dense as hell (for good reasons).

I know that socially speaking, Tsundere or dense girls with a hard shell such as Yukino are widely preferred (Don't get me wrong, I love Yukino personality though). I mean, we are human beings, we like the challenge, we tend to not appreciate stuff that is handled to us with "no effort" (Naruto/Hinata comes to mind but back into Yui/8man).

I think we should also see it through Yui's point of view. To her, approaching to Hachiman is hella of a challenge. She knows that Hachiman, with all the BS he has to put up before, has developed a hard, thick shell. Because of that, he will easily misunderstand her confession with horrible consequences for her. Which is why she has a lot of troubles telling her feelings

We tend to just fixate on the main character's point of view or our "challenging-girl-option" (tsundere i.e.) point of view and to diminish any other girl who actually loves the main character for what he is, without drama bullcrap (although drama is what make us watch novels, manga and such). But I really believe that Yui, by far, deserves to win Hachiman's heart. (´・ω・`)

I despise tsundere. That being said, I don't think Yui loves Hachiman. She has repeatedly, explicitly, stated her feelings are borne out of guilt. If anything, I think she might be the only character who actually hates him, for who he really is.

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maxgale wrote:

As I said above, it just seems like a bit of a 180 in the POV of the characters and inversing the dynamics of their relationships. It comes across as entirely forced and not grounded in either the established characters or overall narrative. I also struggle with the concept of "genuine fakery"
as the only result from such behavior is to have some pretty warped relationships, which to the credit of the series doesn't shy away from rather explicitly stating to be the case with the characters.

If the series is ultimately stating people are fundamentally cowards unable to achieve or cope with honesty, that is frankly disgusting, and like the example of Oreimo I gave, revelling and rewarding the worst impulses of its otaku audience instead of using the opportunity to be something greater.

Warning: text wall incoming. If you want the TL;DR version, I'm basically arguing that "dishonesty" of the sort we see in this series is unavoidable and not at all as bad as people make it out to be, and that Hachiman seems likely to conclude the same thing.

The question becomes one the series has raised: if the truth is destructive, is what was destroyed by it worth anything in the first place? As much as the series may intend to say that there is value to be had, the situations thus far don't give credence to that view. For example, the Issiki case you brought up. We do know who she self identifies as. Hayama told Hachiman (and by extension the audience) that she was able to be her true self around Hachiman. When she accepted her nomination she revealed that who Hachiman saw her as was her correct self, complimenting him in a back hand way for seeing through her facade. Her other persona merely a tool to gain what her true self desired. In that sense, she's one of the more straight forward characters in the series.

Filtering is not the same as creating and maintaining delusions of oneself or others. In that regard, one can know someone better than they may know his or her self, as they don't have the illusions that the individual may choose consciously or subconsciously to believe. I also disagree that what most people desire is the status quo. Our collective pursuits as a society posit otherwise. Better job, more money, more social status, fame, glory, fun, lovers and thrills: in America especially, our culture is a scramble to change or else get left behind. People and relationships increasingly devalued, dehumanized. The concept of family, the penultimate status quo, now a joke as a majority of children are borne to single parent households.

In this sense I view Hachiman as different from the other characters, in that he doesn't have a false personas so much as different responses to the cultural changes devaluing relationships and dehumanizing individuals. The author seems to make Hachiman an Everyman for contemporary youth, born into a nihilist materialist culture which bears the sins of cultural extinction which traditionalist Eurasian values implicitly condone (and thus have no answer to secular materialistic ennui) and which has seen laid bare the shortcomings of both government and business (global recession): which is why his self sacrifice option is quite chilling in the context of the suicide rate of Japanese youth. When that is what the status quo demands to be maintained.

Who is to say that the majority of people rely on duplicity to begin relationships? Or maintain them? Is this a generational phenomenon resulting from those raised online? I do tend to notice this in the social justice warrior types and extreme adherents to liberalism, which disproportionately are in the young professionals which belong to the same social circles I move in, but I and the others who actually matter in those circles mock them and do our best to isolate them for the good of humanity and for the sake of ensuring everyone has a good time.

Ebina and the others are far from mature. In season one Hayama and Hachiman even brought this up, as to why bother when they (Hayamas group) most likely will go their separate ways after graduating. If anything, they are seeking to selfishly extend their childhood instead of maturing into adults capable of creating and maintaining relationships which foster their ascent as human beings.

I feel Hachiman, and the series, is in a good position to discuss the need for humanity, the need to mature and embrace reality, which its otaku audience needs to hear. To show how the selfishness on Ebina and just about every other character is abhorrent and nothing more than self-destruction. And in that sense, no different from their own otaku attitudes and behavior.
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Posted 5/16/15 , edited 5/16/15
I think Komachi got some points last episode

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Posted 5/16/15 , edited 5/16/15
Yukinoshita, the elder sister.. no logic or anything, just because...
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Posted 5/16/15 , edited 5/17/15
I think the last few episodes have converted me to considering Iroha Isshiki as the best love interest for Hachiman. And I almost never support new characters in romance shows.
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ive allways shipped hikki x yukino even if they disagree at times i thik there my fav ship of the series whille i like the other character i dont like them shiped with the MC other then yukino ofc i loved the relation ship of him and his sister too it felt more realistic then most anime siblings
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