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Why are you a feminist?
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Here is the thing. There is nothing wrong with empowering women (which is what feminism is) however there is a problem when the way they are doing this is by trying to degrade men. A lot (not all, I don't like to generalize) try to pass off ALL men as scum, sex obsessed jerks. I am not a feminist nor anti feminist because I really don't care. I just have one question for feminists, are you really trying to empower females?
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Yes, I am a feminist. I am for gender equality. That is all feminism means.


and gamergate is only about journalism ethics. you can't control a hashtag and some self declared feminists give the rest a bad name.




Yeah but feminism is an established cultural movement that's been around for centuries. GG is hashtag movement that formed as a reaction to a women alleged sex life being published online.


It doesn't change the fact that sometimes the message gets distorted or subverted by the very people who claim to be the messengers. Nor does it change an approach that assumes 'boys will be alright' in exchange for fixing only what is detrimental to females.

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It doesn't change the fact that sometimes the message gets distorted or subverted by the very people who claim to be the messengers. Nor does it change an approach that assumes 'boys will be alright' in exchange for fixing only what is detrimental to females.



Yes but I dont think the message is distorted and I dont think there only talking about problems detrimental to females. The thing is feminism is not a concrete outfit that requires ideological purity and more of an umbrella term.
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I don't believe in feminism. I seems very similar to believing in a religion or an ideology, so I'm not a "feminist". I believe that people are people and that men and women can choose to deceive one another whether it's male-to-male, female-to-female or across genders. From my experiences there doesn't seem to be as many people who care in public whether they treat males and females equally good or bad. I have a feeling that young Americans of the newest generation will always have to deal with less differences in gender equality because it's rather primitive to take advantage of a person because of their weaknesses or differences. Instead of believing in something with a specific name, I think that we should strive to treat each other in a way that we won't regret later.
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megahobbit wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

It doesn't change the fact that sometimes the message gets distorted or subverted by the very people who claim to be the messengers. Nor does it change an approach that assumes 'boys will be alright' in exchange for fixing only what is detrimental to females.



Yes but I dont think the message is distorted and I dont think there only talking about problems detrimental to females. The thing is feminism is not a concrete outfit that requires ideological purity and more of an umbrella term.


Not all of the problems brought up by anti-feminist voices are push back those who want a return to the days when men were men and women were cattle. There ARE self-labeled feminists whose words and actions defy or undermine the oft stated cause of feminism. and even at it's heart I will posit that feminism is more concerned with removing the barriers to women's equality than it is concerned with making all humans equal.

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Not all of the problems brought up by anti-feminist voices are push back those who want a return to the days when men were men and women were cattle. There ARE self-labeled feminists whose words and actions defy or undermine the oft stated cause of feminism. and even at it's heart I will posit that feminism is more concerned with removing the barriers to women's equality than it is concerned with making all humans equal.



Its hard to prove people intentions. I cant quantifiable prove that feminism is or isnt more concerned with something.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Not all of the problems brought up by anti-feminist voices are push back those who want a return to the days when men were men and women were cattle. There ARE self-labeled feminists whose words and actions defy or undermine the oft stated cause of feminism. and even at it's heart I will posit that feminism is more concerned with removing the barriers to women's equality than it is concerned with making all humans equal.



Its hard to prove people intentions. I cant quantifiable prove that feminism is or isnt more concerned with something.


There are instances in mental health, family law, and education where it could be argued that males are at disadvantage. This is not typically acknowledged.
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There are instances in mental health, family law, and education where it could be argued that males are at disadvantage. This is not typically acknowledged.


Alot of the feminists I know they actually talk about stuff like that.
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megahobbit wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


There are instances in mental health, family law, and education where it could be argued that males are at disadvantage. This is not typically acknowledged.


Alot of the feminists I know they actually talk about stuff like that.


you know better feminists than I do. That's not the message that is getting across. instead there's the 'moronification' of men in the media that I am more painfully aware of.

Anyhow my point is that feminism is not all sweetness light and simplicity as some posters here would have it.


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you know better feminists than I do. That's not the message that is getting across. instead there's the 'moronification' of men in the media that I am more painfully aware of.

Anyhow my point is that feminism is not all sweetness light and simplicity as some posters here would have it.




Thats something I will admit is true. But overall the feminism is something that I support wholeheartedly that deals with real issues and makes real progress.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

you know better feminists than I do. That's not the message that is getting across. instead there's the 'moronification' of men in the media that I am more painfully aware of.

Anyhow my point is that feminism is not all sweetness light and simplicity as some posters here would have it.




Thats something I will admit is true. But overall the feminism is something that I support wholeheartedly that deals with real issues and makes real progress.


That's why I'm quite happy to describe myself as an ally, though for many reasons I eschew the term feminist for myself.

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because I oppose of the kinds of people who think feminism is something to fear. Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering
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That's why I'm quite happy to describe myself as an ally, though for many reasons I eschew the term feminist for myself.



Alot of my friends subscribe to that viewpoint.
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I am a feminist and a human rights activist, because there's still so much we're getting wrong.

There are still terrible things happening worldwide to men, women and children.
And frankly, we're all to blame.
We either ignore it, because it's not happening to us.
Or we're attacking the wrong people, getting no where.

This doesn't make me a special snowflake. Just someone who cares about and accepts other people.

Also, for lack of better words see the post below mine by BlueOni.
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In its opening the Declaration of Sentiments explicitly states that men and women are endowed with equal rights, and that both have the right to insist upon a change in governance if their rights are not protected. It then spends the remainder of its text explaining how its authors feel these rights have been protected disproportionately throughout history on the basis of sex, and closes with both an insistence on a change in governance and a declaration of commitment to effect a change such that the disproportionate protection becomes and remains eliminated.

This is in itself sufficient evidence that feminism finds its purpose in the pursuit and maintenance of the rights of both men and women, and it is for this reason that I assume the label. As an example of a point on which feminists in the developed world have maintenance and advancement to do, let's consider abortion in the US. It is a fact that legislatures in several states have deliberately acted to reduce women's access to abortion services by demanding that women who wish to have abortions first receive medically unnecessary additional services such as ultrasounds and recordings of fetal heartbeats, and further by insisting that clinics providing abortion services comply with standards which the medical professional community has stated are medically unnecessary and which are documented as imposing a significant financial burden upon said clinics. Then there's to consider the threat of violence, harassment, or stalking to providers of said abortions.

Since I'm on the subject, show of hands: who knows the climate for women seeking abortions in Northern Ireland? Did you know that women cannot obtain abortions in Northern Ireland if they've been raped? That many have to travel outside of Northern Ireland in order to obtain abortion services at all, and that the laws surrounding obtaining an abortion in England, Scotland, and Wales make this more than an insubstantial investment of time and money?

I offer no apology for continuing to use the label I'm using simply because the movement is complex and diverse (which is unsurprising given its scale and age, quite frankly), and I have debunked the claim that feminism has no constructive objectives to meet in the developed world with two examples.

Edit: It's one thing to be critical of a movement which is in some parts neglecting its core principles. It's another to accuse those within the movement who are similarly critical of said negligence, but feel no need to be renamed, of seeking martyrdom. That's asinine.
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