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Why are you a feminist?
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This is in itself sufficient evidence that feminism finds its purpose in the pursuit and maintenance of the rights of both men and women, and it is for this reason that I assume the label. As an example of a point on which feminists in the developed world have maintenance and advancement to do, let's consider abortion in the US. It is a fact that legislatures in several states have deliberately acted to reduce women's access to abortion services by demanding that women who wish to have abortions first receive medically unnecessary additional services such as ultrasounds and recordings of fetal heartbeats, and further by insisting that clinics providing abortion services comply with standards which the medical professional community has stated are medically unnecessary and which are documented as imposing a significant financial burden upon said clinics. Then there's to consider the threat of violence, harassment, or stalking to providers of said abortions.


I expect the ultrasound rule is going to be taken to the Supreme court in the coming years.
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gamergate? hashtag? what?
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gamergate? hashtag? what?


I take it you havent been up on gaming culture news for the past year. It even made the national news for a while. Really long story.

This is a good primer on it.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gamergate

Or its summed up basically in this picture.


These songs sum up the mindset of an average gamergater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKEgFqag_iU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TNymL13lQE&
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Oh, well I read the wikipedia page and that all sounds horrible. But then there's a lot of nutjobs on the internet. And I don't have any interest in video games which is why I've never heard about it before now.
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You know a movement is bullshit when every example of misogyny brought up happens in some 3rd world country, not the country they are living in.

I honestly think all feminazis need to be shipped to to Saudi Arabia or some other 3rd world shit hole for a month so they can see how retarded they are.


Helping people in foreign countries, especially third-world nations, requires enormous amounts time, money, manpower and other resources that many individuals and even entire organizations don't have. So naturally many Western feminists focus on issues in their own countries since those are the issues affecting them the most and the easiest ones to fix.
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Oh, well I read the wikipedia page and that all sounds horrible. But then there's a lot of nutjobs on the internet. And I don't have any interest in video games which is why I've never heard about it before now.


Yeah it was and still is nearly inescapable in gaming. GG is still around and refuses to leave despite no major events happening anymore. Its this really weird standstill.
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I'm all for equal rights between both genders, but I'm not all about radical feminism, not because I'm male, but because it makes no logical sense.
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Yes because I believe in equality for all genders.
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eclair-lumiere wrote:


Oh, well I read the wikipedia page and that all sounds horrible. But then there's a lot of nutjobs on the internet. And I don't have any interest in video games which is why I've never heard about it before now.


Yeah it was and still is nearly inescapable in society. Feminism is still around and refuses to leave despite no major events happening anymore. Its this really weird standstill.


FTFY.

Really don't know much about this videogame stuff, but this is a perfect example of the Horseshoe Theory right here.
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Personally I think the feminists have a point when it comes to the portrayal of women in the media. There need to be more strong, assertive, kickass female characters out there. Then again, that's just what I'm into....so make of it what you will.
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FTFY.

Really don't know much about this feminism stuff, but this is a perfect example of the me being incredibly reductionist right here.


FTFY

Huh well in recent years feminism has dealt with

Date Rape Culture
Sexism in the Media
Closing the Wage gap
Abortion rights
Sexism in the workplace
Rape on Campuses
and a ton of other things I cant mention.

On the other hand GG has
Harrassed Females
Donated to charity as a PR stunt
Posted 5/13/15
Feminism is a positive movement overall. Almost every group has extremists. Conservatives get Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh.

Feminists that aim for equality are true feminists imo, and I think it should continue to exist to uphold and maintain the progress it has achieved for equal rights. Separatists and other extremists are what ppl these days associate with the word feminist and the feminist movement.
They're not going anywhere, either feminists or feminazis, its up to the intelligence of the people to be able to differentiate the two.
There are male feminists just as there are women anti-feminists.



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narfington wrote:

Personally I think the feminists have a point when it comes to the portrayal of women in the media. There need to be more strong, assertive, kickass female characters out there. Then again, that's just what I'm into....so make of it what you will.


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Well, to me, it seems like there's a systemic bias in society that serves as a hindrance to some women. Incidentally, I don't limit this bias to women, but also to some minority groups and ideologies as well. I consider myself a feminist insofar as I want to try to remove this systemic bias. I think it manifests itself predominately in stereotypes (particularly on television and in fiction). I believe the stereotypes are a symptom of the bias (which, again, is why I don't limit it to women, but also to a few minority groups and ideologies). There are also other symptoms if you examine certain statistics, but I don't like using statistics because "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics".

That's kind of why, in my mind at least, I identify myself as a feminist - and there are many feminist statements about the media portrayal of women that I profoundly agree with (and some I don't). And I feel like feminism works to remove the systemic bias (hindering women, at least, which is better than nothing). However, if I don't fit the "true' definition of feminism, then i'll be happy to revoke the title if it somehow offends feminists.

So, um, why do I consider myself a feminist? I guess just because my own personal definition of feminism seems to coincide with my mentality and the mentality of a few other feminists, so why not? But again - and I can't stress this enough - it's not even specifically about women for me personally, as they are just one group of a much larger problem I observe.
Posted 5/14/15

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There's been a recent uhhh.. resurgence of feminist-related threads, so my interest in the topic has somewhat been revived. Anyway...

An interesting observation I've made is that every single self-proclaimed feminist I've come across had somehow always taken such pride in pointing out that they are NOT like those OTHER feminists, some even going so far as to say that those "radicals" or "tumblr feminists" are not real feminists and are just ruining feminism for everyone else. I have always found this interesting for two reasons: 1) it seems to me that some people find a kind of self-serving appeal in being some sort of feminist martyr and 2) I've never really understood why anyone would expect ANYONE to acknowledge a movement that cannot even agree on who is or isn't a "real" part of their group. It just boggles my mind, to be honest.

Well, everyone has been stating on another thread why they are "anti-feminist," but I think it's far more interesting to find out why people willingly choose to identify as a feminists.

So yeah, my question is: Are you a feminist? If so, why are you one? And why choose that specific label?


Hopefully we get to talk without being rude and bullyish, I mean that both ways.
No, not every feminist, self-proclaimed or otherwise. Some ppl, men and women alike become de facto feminists by simply lobbying for equality, without a need to label themselves.

It came to a head with sufferage, with women lobbying to win the right to vote. This didn't create feminism, but it did create Anti-feminism . Something to think about if you persist in delving into the "sexist origins of feminism"

The difference of the two is feminism was borne out of the desire for equality , no matter how it was worded, in the 19th century, anti-feminism's sole purpose of existence was anti women's sufferage (right to vote) was to counter women's rights.

As a result, Historically, history would damage anti-feminism moreso than feminism

And I think it is righteous self-serving appeal to stand for what's right , there are as many men feminists as there are women anti-feminists. I seriously doubt the other side is winning any time soon as antifeminism is a parasite that needs its host to live.

If you want to balance the disparity you see without reversing all the good feminism has done then get behind something positive such as lobby for men's rights not something destructive as the feminazis with antifeminists because you're only going to breed feminazis and your battle will never end.
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