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For America's sake I hope they return to their pre WWII isolationism. Europe, Japan/South Korea and Israel need to start taking more responsibility for their own security.
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trivialite wrote:

To your first point that's a major reason why the U.S. should leave, to force these countries to pick up the slack. And to your second point, why can't the U.S. be a deterrant from Guam?

And for the record I'm Canadian and the U.S. hasn't had a base in my country (that I know of) since, the end of the Second World War. We have a British base that they use for training and that's it.


US and Canada's Defense is linked together since 1958. We loaned you ammunition for your deployments and we use each others bases.

North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD, /ˈnɔræd/) is a combined organization of the United States and Canada that provides aerospace warning, air sovereignty, and defense for Northern America.
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The US needs to cut funding on its bloated military. Stop trying to be the world police.
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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

The US needs to cut funding on its bloated military. Stop trying to be the world police.
We have, and we still are, by a lot: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/24/pentagons-massive-budget-cuts-would-redefine-the-us-military. In fact, the unit I was in when I was in the Army is now gone (2013). They wen't from 4 Brigades to 3 by the time I left, that's a cut of 5,000 soldiers.

I lived in Yokosuka, Japan for many years when my Dad was in the Navy, I completely understand why they want the U.S. out.

I think we should leave, we spend way too much on Japans defense. Also, Japan practically re-wrote Article 9 of their Constitution a few years ago. It's allowed them to spend 53 billion $ in defense. In a few years, they will no longer have a Defense Force but an actual military. Washington completely supports this. Japan is our greatest ally in the region, once they have a military strong enough to defend their (and therefor our) interests, we can rely on them and relocate all our forces to Hawaii and Guam.

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Well I can understand that. What do America need to be stationed over there for?

There's an american base near Skipton in England and I'm not happy about that either. So much for England and America being allies.
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We cant just pull out, look what happened to Iraq. I am not saying Japan is like Iraq, but it could turn into a power gap, and it would tilt the power balance towards China. I don't think Russia is to interested at the moment. they are still occupied with Ukraine. Some people don't relies how fast China is trying to rise to power its a serious problem that will most likely end in war further down the road. Probably not in our life time, but if we where to pull out that would speed up the process of war. Seeing as that would mean no real competition for China. So in conclusion its fine where that military base is right now.
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eclair-lumiere wrote:

Well I can understand that. What do America need to be stationed over there for?


Bases are usually created for one or two reasons.
1) Rapid deployment to other areas in crises.
2) Tripwire. For example If you attack England than you also attack the United States. Do you really want to do this?


I can think of only ONE base in the world that is there without approval of the current government and that is Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. And since we (the US) have a legal long term lease there; too bad-so sad. Really, I think the only reason it is kept open is to piss off the Cubans.


eclair-lumiere wrote:
There's an american base near Skipton in England and I'm not happy about that either. So much for England and America being allies.


If you want the base removed talk to YOUR politicians. They and not you nor me have the final say. Also keep in mind one factor your leaders know that you don't. How would closing the base affect the local economy. Many a city has learned to its dismay that those bases were pumping money into the local economy. Once they are gone; instant depression of the economy.And the corollary of that means local taxes are raised to make up the shortfalls in tax revenue.

I approve of select bases on trusted allies territories, but then again I was born at the USAF hospital, Burderop Park, Wilts. Got 3 birth certificates one of which is British so I am a dual national and that probably makes me a bit biased.


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We cant just pull out, look what happened to Iraq. I am not saying Japan is like Iraq, but it could turn into a power gap, and it would tilt the power balance towards China. Probably not in our life time, but if we where to pull out that would speed up the process of war. Seeing as that would mean no real competition for China. So in conclusion its fine where that military base is right now.


I would just say that the Chinese military buildup is less aimed at the United States (we're their largest trading partner and it would be very bad to go to war with the guy who buys your stuff) and is more aimed at India, Philippines, Vietnam, the Korea (South AND North), Japan and to a lesser degree Russia. It is weird seeing Russia selling top grade military gear to China while still having boarder disputes with China. Right now the possible hot spot in the Pacific area is the Spratley Islands.

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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

The US needs to cut funding on its bloated military. Stop trying to be the world police.




Fuck, most people are rather tired of it as well. Problem is that other than Poland, all other NATO counties are a fucking joke and not even coming close to meeting GDP goals of funding. Japan can't legally have anything other than a JDF and a coast guard (with cutters in the coast guard that are on par with most navy attack cruisers.

While the islanders don't like all the US there, you bet your sweet ass the boys from Tokyo are quite happy. Personally, I think we should have the backs of the countries that are meeting goals, and fuck the rest of the world. We should also pull aid from any county that isn't the US or a territory, and we should completely pull out of Europe. Those fuckers have been getting a free ride for far too long.


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VZ68 I lol'ed at that cartoon. Canada isn't any better than the European NATO countries. We have a so-called pro military government, while our military spending is below 1% of GDP, the lowest since that stat has been tracked and the base requirement for NATO membership. Also, our supply ships built in the 1970's were caught scouring E-bay for spare parts again.

Sad :/
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I'm sorry, but as soon as I saw the picture going with the original thread post, I immediately thought to Code Geass...

Seriously though, Okinawa is a great location for the U.S., so even if they don't want Americans there, we probably would not give it up just because...(I do not support either side though, this is just what I thought of the situation)
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The problem is, the Japanese government will not kick the US out because they need the US. After the end of WWII, Japan was forced to put a clause in their Constitution which prohibited them to maintain a military. It wasn't until recently that Shinzo Abe received approval from the administration to revise the clause which allows them to intervene in foreign affairs if it's to protect their allies as well as protect their interests at home. Given Japan's imperialistic past and their tense relations with China and South/North Korea, they wouldn't dare kick the US out just yet because they know that they need them. The numbers and statistics speak for themselves. Japan is trying to return to being a "normal" military state and unless they completely revamp Article 9, its going to be difficult for them to maintain a military in which they will be able to fend for themselves at the moment. Part of the reason I think they even tried to reinterpret the Constitution was to have more independence from the US as well as protect themselves from growing threats such as China and North Korea. However, this doesn't mean they are in a position economically or militarily to do so without the US. The US-Japan security alliance is very important to Japan as of right now. Protests are always going to happen. I lived in Japan for 10 years and they happen a lot. Public opinion differs when it comes to the US. Most know and understand that they need the US but that doesn't mean they like it and they would rather Japan get into a position of self-sustainment.
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The problem from what i remember reading in Stars & Stripes (Spies & Lies as we called it) while stationed in Korea in the 90's was the MARINES tearing apart everything in Okinawa.

It isn't the airbase or the Airmen, but the Marines stationed there. We should just pull the marines out of Okinawa, replace that force with US Army personnel. Incidents with the civilian population will go way down.
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This isn't an aid group helping somewhere that has been struck by an earthquake or tsunami though. And i highly doubt they are there for the second reason. Perhaps they are allowed there legally, but then a lot of stuff is legal now that shouldn't really be allowed to happen.

I am aware it is the politicians in England that allow it to happen. But what british politician is going to dare to stand up to the united States? We are basically America's punching bag now.
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The only time the Okinawan really bitch about US presence is after some young idiot goes out and does something stupid like rape a local or hurt/kill someone.. But those marines/airman/soldiers get heavily punished and usually spend time in Japanese prisons. After a few months things go back to normal. Basically the same shit that happens around any base here on US soil... Except over there its a foreign incident and punishments are more severe and generally every serviceman on island faces some type of restriction on going out for a while.. The relocation of bases has been frequently brought up but very little progress made since i lived there, left around 15 years ago... I was friends with many locals and was not a ton of hatred for americans. Only the biker gangs that ride around with their flags and sticks ever seemed threatening to me...


Oh and its not always the Marines.. it was just as often a Airman Squid or Soldier who did it..
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