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I'm certainly up for more Muv-Luv. Total Eclipse was alright, but nothing particularly special. At the very least, it's better than most mecha shows these days considering the slump the genre is in. Anyway, I love the flashy suits in this franchise, so I'll check it out.


I'm seriously hoping this series gets a bit more love from the producers than Total Eclipse did. I'm betting this'll be another low-budget show, which is pretty disappointing considering the Muv-Luv trilogy is one of my favorite works of fiction ever. They can't mess up the plot with this particular series, so if it manages to look decent I'll be very happy.
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I still need to read the damn VN...


I would say its better than 2 out of 3 Fate routes.



But I've only finished 1 route....so take it with a grain of salt.




Why can't they just make the VN adaptation.... I'd be happy with that, despite the flaws. I want to see Sumika on screen damnit.
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Why can't they just make the VN adaptation.... I'd be happy with that, despite the flaws. I want to see Sumika on screen damnit.


There's no way they'd be able to do it well. Alternative is an epic, and most of Takeru's characterization is internal. It wouldn't translate well to television at all.
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Felstalker wrote:

Why can't they just make the VN adaptation.... I'd be happy with that, despite the flaws. I want to see Sumika on screen damnit.


There's no way they'd be able to do it well. Alternative is an epic, and most of Takeru's characterization is internal. It wouldn't translate well to television at all.


I don't care...but I understand it. A lot of Takerus bigger moments were reliant on the first game AND you the player. A specific scene about missing Sumika for a game and a half for example. It played on you being Takeru and missing the same things and what not....aaand it's long and included bullshit everywhere.

But at least give us Muv/Luv no Alternative! That's easy right there!
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Felstalker wrote:

But at least give us Muv/Luv no Alternative! That's easy right there!


From what I've heard from people, it seems like you need the whole package to make it more impactful. You can't just adapt Alternative alone.

If they were to ever adapt the series properly, it would need a fair amount of monologues like what F/SN would need. I imagine if the Muv Luv trilogy were adapted without monologues it would turn out like the ufotable UBW adaptation.
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Felstalker wrote:


kdroberts wrote:


Felstalker wrote:

Why can't they just make the VN adaptation.... I'd be happy with that, despite the flaws. I want to see Sumika on screen damnit.


There's no way they'd be able to do it well. Alternative is an epic, and most of Takeru's characterization is internal. It wouldn't translate well to television at all.


I don't care...but I understand it. A lot of Takerus bigger moments were reliant on the first game AND you the player. A specific scene about missing Sumika for a game and a half for example. It played on you being Takeru and missing the same things and what not....aaand it's long and included bullshit everywhere.

But at least give us Muv/Luv no Alternative! That's easy right there!


I don't know if Muv-Luv Extra would really be all that impressive without the other parts. Without it, it's basically just a harem comedy.

The whole thing is a setup for the craziness of the others.


But I've only finished 1 route....so take it with a grain of salt.


Extra is the only one with multiple routes. The others have essentially the same story/ending regardless. So if you've played one route of Alternative, you've pretty much read the whole story.

I'd agree that Alternative is better than most of F/SN, or at least more compactly written. Though, as others have said, I don't really think it would translate well to anime, unless they just wanted to do it as a "Greatest Hits" sort of thing and completely abandon most of Takeru's perspective.
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Felstalker wrote:

But at least give us Muv/Luv no Alternative! That's easy right there!


From what I've heard from people, it seems like you need the whole package to make it more impactful. You can't just adapt Alternative alone.

If they were to ever adapt the series properly, it would need a fair amount of monologues like what F/SN would need. I imagine if the Muv Luv trilogy were adapted without monologues it would turn out like the ufotable UBW adaptation.


That's a pretty solid guess. Not to mention the censorship. Alternative got pretty gory in some places.
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The LN is pretty good, definitely looking forward to this.
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Felstalker wrote:


LoomyTheBrew wrote:

I still need to read the damn VN...


I would say its better than 2 out of 3 Fate routes.



But I've only finished 1 route....so take it with a grain of salt.




Why can't they just make the VN adaptation.... I'd be happy with that, despite the flaws. I want to see Sumika on screen damnit.


1 route? I hope you made it to Alternative because the first part of muv luv is GOD awful and very generic. Got better in Extra BUT everything make sense in the end of alternative. Even small things where you don't think matter all make sense and you realized that awful first part of Muv Luv was actually necessary. Basically Muv Luv Alternative turn the series from a B average to a mega S++ and is consider the holy grail of visual novel. Like other said, you really need everything to be able to do the series justice. That just simply won't happen considering how text heavy the show is. BTW I just went on a hunch and considered that you did not read Alternative because Muv Luv Alternative only had 1 route.

Anyways I want to see Sumika in this. I love the voice actress! Seeing her as Suou Amane made the fan boy in me scream my lungs out in Grisaia.
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Extra is the only one with multiple routes. The others have essentially the same story/ending regardless. So if you've played one route of Alternative, you've pretty much read the whole story.

I'd agree that Alternative is better than most of F/SN, or at least more compactly written. Though, as others have said, I don't really think it would translate well to anime, unless they just wanted to do it as a "Greatest Hits" sort of thing and completely abandon most of Takeru's perspective.


No, I mean I've only gotten past 1 route of Fate. I finished all of Extra, Unlimited, and Alternative.

And no, it woundlt be special. Its a run of the mill Harem, that's what makes season 2 of Unlimited so special AND that's what makes Season 3 Alternative even epic-er..

I haveany more arguments for many more people when I'm not phone typing...just you wait.
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Posted 5/19/15

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imaginarycreatures wrote:

Extra is the only one with multiple routes. The others have essentially the same story/ending regardless. So if you've played one route of Alternative, you've pretty much read the whole story.

I'd agree that Alternative is better than most of F/SN, or at least more compactly written. Though, as others have said, I don't really think it would translate well to anime, unless they just wanted to do it as a "Greatest Hits" sort of thing and completely abandon most of Takeru's perspective.


No, I mean I've only gotten past 1 route of Fate. I finished all of Extra, Unlimited, and Alternative.

And no, it woundlt be special. Its a run of the mill Harem, that's what makes season 2 of Unlimited so special AND that's what makes Season 3 Alternative even epic-er..

I haveany more arguments for many more people when I'm not phone typing...just you wait.


Oh, I think it would be pretty cool if they were to do the entire trilogy; I thought you were talking about just doing Extra.

Possibly if they were to have the story narrated in a manner similar to Kyon's narration in Haruhi Suzumiya, doing the entire trilogy could work. I don't think they'd actually do it (it seems like the fandom for the franchise in Japan is pretty heavily skewed toward the mecha), but it would be pretty interesting to see.
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Oh, I think it would be pretty cool if they were to do the entire trilogy; I thought you were talking about just doing Extra.

Possibly if they were to have the story narrated in a manner similar to Kyon's narration in Haruhi Suzumiya, doing the entire trilogy could work. I don't think they'd actually do it (it seems like the fandom for the franchise in Japan is pretty heavily skewed toward the mecha), but it would be pretty interesting to see.



A lot of you people don't seem to understand the fundamental difference between Fate and Muv Luv, and now that I'm on a computer with a keyboard and not on a 15 minute break at work....I can spell it out with words.


Fate/Stay Night is told through 3 Different routes, each route is an entirely separate continuity, different events with different allies and different villains. Each one tells a slightly different tale of growth for Shirou, the protagonist of the game.
Additionally, they are unlocked linearly, something I consider a double-edged sword.
You can't play them in a chosen order, each one builds upon the other. What makes Shirou different in each one happens to be the different characters he encounters. However, specific key characters are ignored in later routes due to the player already having knowledge of who they are, what they want, and yada yada action scenes.
This is what makes Fate difficult to adapt. No 1 route tells all the story, and each route shows different growth. It's not "internal monologues" or "internal-any-fucking-thing-don't use this fucking word"
Regardless of which route you go, characters will be dropped, forgotten, and ignored. That's not a good thing for anybody who happens to be a fan of that character.
You don't need to show the inner-thoughts of a character to tell a story
More over, you CAN show the inner thoughts of a character in an anime, that's not difficult or challenging or hard in any way.


What makes Muv-Luv difficult to adapt is Length.
The Visual Novels took unique approach with a very generic character growth story.
Each Visual Novel in the Muv-Luv Trilogy, from Muv-Luv Extra, to Muv-Luv Unlimited, and Muv-Luv Alternative, moves in a linear fashion. They don't tell alternate stories, they simply continue the story like another book, season, or movie sequel will typically do for any franchise.



Look, it'll work. It'll FUCKIN WORK, IT'S EASY.

It'll never happen....but if it did...IT'D WORK.

I lost interest in making the post longer due to someone sending me a cat video to watch.....
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imaginarycreatures wrote:

Oh, I think it would be pretty cool if they were to do the entire trilogy; I thought you were talking about just doing Extra.

Possibly if they were to have the story narrated in a manner similar to Kyon's narration in Haruhi Suzumiya, doing the entire trilogy could work. I don't think they'd actually do it (it seems like the fandom for the franchise in Japan is pretty heavily skewed toward the mecha), but it would be pretty interesting to see.



A lot of you people don't seem to understand the fundamental difference between Fate and Muv Luv, and now that I'm on a computer with a keyboard and not on a 15 minute break at work....I can spell it out with words.


Fate/Stay Night is told through 3 Different routes, each route is an entirely separate continuity, different events with different allies and different villains. Each one tells a slightly different tale of growth for Shirou, the protagonist of the game.
Additionally, they are unlocked linearly, something I consider a double-edged sword.
You can't play them in a chosen order, each one builds upon the other. What makes Shirou different in each one happens to be the different characters he encounters. However, specific key characters are ignored in later routes due to the player already having knowledge of who they are, what they want, and yada yada action scenes.
This is what makes Fate difficult to adapt. No 1 route tells all the story, and each route shows different growth. It's not "internal monologues" or "internal-any-fucking-thing-don't use this fucking word"
Regardless of which route you go, characters will be dropped, forgotten, and ignored. That's not a good thing for anybody who happens to be a fan of that character.
You don't need to show the inner-thoughts of a character to tell a story
More over, you CAN show the inner thoughts of a character in an anime, that's not difficult or challenging or hard in any way.


What makes Muv-Luv difficult to adapt is Length.
The Visual Novels took unique approach with a very generic character growth story.
Each Visual Novel in the Muv-Luv Trilogy, from Muv-Luv Extra, to Muv-Luv Unlimited, and Muv-Luv Alternative, moves in a linear fashion. They don't tell alternate stories, they simply continue the story like another book, season, or movie sequel will typically do for any franchise.



Look, it'll work. It'll FUCKIN WORK, IT'S EASY.

It'll never happen....but if it did...IT'D WORK.

I lost interest in making the post longer due to someone sending me a cat video to watch.....


Was this intended as a general post to everyone who commented about what you said, or did you just quote the wrong post?

I only ask because I didn't reference F/SN at all, and never said Muv-Luv wouldn't work because of internal monologues.
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1) I would love it if someone adapted the entire muvluv trilogy, seriously one of the best mech stories ever instead of these spin offs. But it would be a difficult adaptation that's for sure.
2) I still need to read the new translated spin offs (chronicles and such)
3) This schwarezmarken looks pretty interesting, but we'll have to wait and see.

As for Takeru's develpoment, his doesn't depend on monologues as much as Shirou's, so it is possible but ti will be somewhat difficult.
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