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What do Americans need to do to rise up in animation
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does anybody remember Liquid Television on MTV
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I think the CGI films are pretty good- Big Hero 6, Frozen, Tangled, How to Train Dragon, Mr Peabody and Sherman, Ratatouille, Rise of Guardians, Tinker Bell films, Toy Story franchise, just to name a few off the top of my head. Everyone has their own opinions I guess.

Edit: don't forget the classic 90s Disney films- Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, Little Mermaid, Aladin, etc.
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Also have to add that most animation is done in Korea, seen Korean studio names in "Japanese" animation plenty of times. Family Guy and Akame Ga Kill could have been made in the same building
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VZ68 I blame crybaby parents that try and have banned Tex Avery cartoons.


I blame baby boomers who suddenly rediscovered cartoons after Who Framed Roger Rabbit (two years before the Disney Renaissance), and thought Tex Avery directed ALL of them, on hyper-hyper MGM mode.

(That was partly how we got Spielberg's Tiny Toons in the late 80's/early 90's, and it was just a slippery downward slope from there...)


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nothing can touch courage the cowardly dog show


Except maybe the Claws For Alarm cartoons with Sylvester the Cat and Porky Pig.


teallerina Ugh...weebos!


(You mean "Weaboo"--"Weebo" was that cute little flying robot with Ariel's voice from the Robin Williams "Flubber" movie. )
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deadscreen wrote:

does anybody remember Liquid Television on MTV


Who doesn't?

Ask a hard question, like who remembers when MTV played only music videos.

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The animation itself? One could say thats not the biggest issue. Biggest problem is the target audience and societal opinion. Anime can cover anything under moon from comedy, romance, action, drama, with any theme from regular days at school to deep philosophical religious/political themes. Most north american cartoons are all about comedy and cheap laughs, and more often that not, has no real 'depth.' That's my opinion at least.
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Ejanss wrote:


VZ68 I blame crybaby parents that try and have banned Tex Avery cartoons.


I blame baby boomers who suddenly rediscovered cartoons after Who Framed Roger Rabbit (two years before the Disney Renaissance), and thought Tex Avery directed ALL of them, on hyper-hyper MGM mode.

(That was partly how we got Spielberg's Tiny Toons in the late 80's/early 90's, and it was just a slippery downward slope from there...)


severticas wrote:

nothing can touch courage the cowardly dog show


Except maybe the Claws For Alarm cartoons with Sylvester the Cat and Porky Pig.


teallerina Ugh...weebos!


(You mean "Weaboo"--"Weebo" was that cute little flying robot with Ariel's voice from the Robin Williams "Flubber" movie. )


Naw, I'm talking about the people that started banning 50 to 70 year old cartoons for being too dangerous for kids to watch. Kinda like when they banned Speedy and ended up pissing off the Mexicans because Speedy Gonzales is awesome.



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Most people forget that The Flintstones was a prime time TV show from 1960 to 1966.

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deadscreen wrote:

does anybody remember Liquid Television on MTV


Apart from the racing segment of Neo Tokyo--and fans besieging MTV for "Whennya going to show more anime?" for the next five years--and Aeon Flux before it became a talky series and a crappy movie, I remember the only actually cool segment that ever lived up to MTV's hope for the series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMzCpy0fXc


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Most people forget that The Flintstones was a prime time TV show from 1960 to 1966.


Like WHO? Every time Matt Groening or Seth MacFarlane think "I've got a dumb-guy family man in a prime-time cartoon!" they immediately consider themselves the heir-appointed to Fred Flintstone.
(Despite the fact that Fred differed from Peter or Homer, in that he possessed enough basic sentient intelligence to make intentionally funny lines, like Ralph Kramden could.)

And except the people who can quote it from memory, of course.


TV Announcer: "Tonight's story of a husband who runs away after his twelfth child is born is called 'Have Enough - Will Travel'. But first, a message from our sponsor."
Sponsor: "Ladies and gentlemen: (sad music) This show is costing me a fortune, so please.....BUY MY PRODUCT!! "
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Ejanss wrote:


VZ68 wrote:

Most people forget that The Flintstones was a prime time TV show from 1960 to 1966.


Like WHO? Every time Matt Groening or Seth MacFarlane think "I've got a dumb-guy family man in a prime-time cartoon!" they immediately consider themselves the heir-appointed to Fred Flintstone.
(Despite the fact that Fred differed from Peter or Homer, in that he possessed enough basic sentient intelligence to make intentionally funny lines, like Ralph Kramden could.)

And except the people who can quote it from memory, of course.


TV Announcer: "Tonight's story of a husband who runs away after his twelfth child is born is called 'Have Enough - Will Travel'. But first, a message from our sponsor."
Sponsor: "Ladies and gentlemen: (sad music) This show is costing me a fortune, so please.....BUY MY PRODUCT!! "


If I remember right, Matt Groening hasn't had anything to do with the Simpsons for years now. He jumped over to Futurama and The Simpsons is just using what he started and mailing him checks.

And I thought Seth was going to start making showtunes or something soon. And let's not forget The Boondocks, while I didn't like the comic strip, I found the show better.

https://youtu.be/F4afOMEJvLM

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Sponge bob is a quality cartoon what are you talking about.
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Sponge bob is a quality cartoon what are you talking about.


no. sponge bob is new world order bullshit
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I think traditional hand drawn animation plays a huge part. A lot of newer western shows just use crappy flash-esque animation with no beauty to it! I love traditional animation and I think it really makes a difference.
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I feel like audiences don't treat cartoons (and as a result anime) with much respect in the States. Even the weaboos I've seen from various parts of TX are fairly toxic when it comes to markets. I'm not expert but you can't sell to an audience that isn't there (read: all dat deep stuff is pretty much covered by Japan atm for various reasons), and it's pretty much impossible to realize it without a whole lot more backing in the American market. For some reason I'm just reminded of all those vicious cycles on YouTube.

For research purposes (and the unenlightened): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94NxF2F2BuY

Also all them fanimations. My recommended box hurts.
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