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To be fair, this is the same orgnaisation that got upset over the hunting of whales in Assassins Creed Black Flag
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fyi, the woman is acting in the video... and volunteered herself to do it... and they used water and paint to show it on her. it's not the chemicals they test on animals...

:-/ why are you against PETA anyway? it's not like they're comign to your doorsteps and robbing your meat...


Here's my beef* with PETA's actions here: they're blatantly disregarding the contributions of animal research to all sorts of scientific fields (including medicine), and are intentionally disregarding ethical standards and review boards for research involving animal subjects. They're perfectly content to stand there and lie by omission in the latter case, and by misrepresentation in the former case. It is not at all ethical to flat out lie to your audience no matter how good your intentions, and frankly they're spurring an attitude which is dangerous to scientific progress. So that's my part in the whole "Damn you, PETA!" affair.

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Plus they funnel money in to ALF and Earth Justic which both support or in the case of ALF perpetrate domestic and foreign terrorism.


Now, I didn't know they had ties to the Liberation Front. They're in a whole different league of unethical behaviour than I've been putting them if that's the case.
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The issue at hand that these people are talking about is animal cruelty/experimentation ......all the other problems people are bringing in to this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that, and it's unlikely that these people even care about pokemon.

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Here's my beef* with PETA's actions here: they're blatantly disregarding the contributions of animal research to all sorts of scientific fields (including medicine), and are intentionally disregarding ethical standards and review boards for research involving animal subjects. They're perfectly content to stand there and lie by omission in the latter case, and by misrepresentation in the former case. It is not at all ethical to flat out lie to your audience no matter how good your intentions, and frankly they're spurring an attitude which is dangerous to scientific progress. So that's my part in the whole "Damn you, PETA!" affair.

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Now, I didn't know they had ties to the Liberation Front. They're in a whole different league of unethical behaviour than I've been putting them if that's the case.



No matter how ethical the review board is, when a new med is invented they have to test it on live animals, and the side effects are observed. There are questionable experiments too like growing ears on the back of a rodent or glowing cats in the dark.

Nobody is denying animal experimentation to scientific progress, but using humans is even more effective, it doesn't mean we should do it...

...that's the point I got from the video. And I think that's a good point. Ppl stopped experimenting on prisoners because someone said something.
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LOL
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No matter how ethical the review board is, when a new med is invented they have to test it on live animals, and the side effects are observed. There are questionable experiments too like growing ears on the back of a rodent or glowing cats in the dark.


If I saw that someone was growing ears on rodents' backs I would assume they were conducting an experiment with hox genes, not that they were just playing around with rodents because they were bored. I understand that research can appear absurdly bizarre and pointless at first glance, but one does not know for certain until one reads the research article or grant proposal submitted by the researchers in question.


Nobody is denying animal experimentation to scientific progress...


You're not denying it. The man in the video is denying exactly that. He called use of animal models "bad science", and said so while in the process of framing an argument that research using animal models virtually never produces useful results.


...but using humans is even more effective, it doesn't mean we should do it...

...that's the point I got from the video. And I think that's a good point. Ppl stopped experimenting on prisoners because someone said something.


People say using human research subjects is intrinsically better for exploring and experimenting with human diseases and such, and honestly I can't blame them. It's very intuitive to think that. Nevertheless, that's really not necessarily the case. Selection of a model can be impacted by factors ranging from the relative ease with which the structure or process of interest may be accessed, observed, or modified, to the relative length of the organism's gestation, growth, and development, to the amount of offspring produced per reproductive cycle (and therefore the amount of replications one could reasonably perform per unit time and expected sample size), to the relative complexity of the organism's genome (and therefore the relative ease for making selective modifications and narrowing down the list of potentially contributing genes for whatever you're looking at), and so on. It makes sense to use animal models instead of human subjects for more reasons than just being hesitant to use humans.

Part of the reason mice and rats are used is because they mature quickly, breed in large numbers, and don't take long to complete a pregnancy. They're also relatively easily trained and have very well-mapped bodies, and so are very useful in behaviour and functional studies encompassing a wide range of fields.
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PETA will lie and deny to win an argument, so I won't hear any of it.
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Trying to impart human qualities onto animals is kind of stupid. SOME animals share SOME things in common with humans, but they are not human and do not have human emotions. They can feel very basic emotions, like fear, but comparing them to humans is ridiculous.

Humanity has made vast strides in how we treat our animal friends, of course you wouldn't know that based of of PETA. They don't focus on that stuff, only the negative. I think negativity breeds negativity. If you truly want change, then show what humanity can do at it's best. Inspire others to try and be like that. Don't show humanity at it's worst and try to guilt trip others into not being like that.
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Trying to impart human qualities onto animals is kind of stupid. SOME animals share SOME things in common with humans, but they are not human and do not have human emotions. They can feel very basic emotions, like fear, but comparing them to humans is ridiculous.

Humanity has made vast strides in how we treat our animal friends, of course you wouldn't know that based of of PETA. They don't focus on that stuff, only the negative. I think negativity breeds negativity. If you truly want change, then show what humanity can do at it's best. Inspire others to try and be like that. Don't show humanity at it's worst and try to guilt trip others into not being like that.


hitting the nail on the head there. did you know that you can go online and see experiments of a dog getting his head cut off than being hooked to a machine keeping him alive, you wanna talk about sick animal experimentation.
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I wouldn't call them a nutjob, I'd call them a extremist since they're not giving the whole picture and you have to research them to find their "true self" which makes them look legit on the outside


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PETA will lie and deny to win an argument, so I won't hear any of it.


Well PETA hasn't lied in this case, animals are truly treated like shit. However PETA is wasting so much time whit retarded things and take things whit animals too long to the point that it's much better giving money to another charity.
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But extremists are nutjobs, hence why most people don't wish to be associated with them.
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I thought PETA meant People Eating Tasty Animals?

Jokes aside, it's PETA... Nothing from those buffoons surprises me.
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PETA... you can't fix stupid...
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BlueOni wrote:
Here's my beef* with PETA's actions here: they're blatantly disregarding the contributions of animal research to all sorts of scientific fields (including medicine), and are intentionally disregarding ethical standards and review boards for research involving animal subjects.


One thing PETA is very consistent about is pushing their agenda that animals should not be allowed to exist outside of nature preserves, regardless of how useful they may be to us. They believe that the domesticated cat should be made extinct, no matter if they are used to cleanly eliminate pests without the use of chemicals. It doesn't matter. Animals should have no relationship with humans. They only barely tolerate keeping existing animals as pets, preferring to simply destroy them asap.

So, with that in mind, we can expect them to lie about how useful animals are to us, since that argument doesn't actually matter to them, but can be useful in tricking others to support them.
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