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Why do people care? Because sport is like anime for the masses.

For those who don't care for sports, it's like that anime that is super highly regarded by a ton of people who keep recommending it to you, but when you watch it, you can't help but find it boring and stupid. Lots of people are super fanbois though. They look forward to the next [Sporting Event X] like it's the next season of Attack on Titan or something. :)

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whycantirememberit wrote:


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It had to be the US to bring down FIFA, as in most other countries FIFA is too powerful.

But for the US, our government can say look at the BIG corruption we brought down. Look at the BIG people we are going after and still not piss of the US corporate/wealthy masters.

It's pure bread and circuses for the masses, with an additional bonus of making the US look good to the average person in other countries.


I think it's less of a publicity stunt and more of them doing their jobs. Plus, it's not like the FBI can do anything to corporations and executives who aren't (caught) breaking the law. Though when they are caught it's usually just a fine anyway, but again that has more to do with laws than the people who enforce them.


Honestly, i think fining these multibillion dollar corporations billions of dollars is nothing to them. It's like chump change, we need more effective ways of dealing with them. We also can't do too much of these corporations make the backbone of their countries economy


Yeah, a corporation will commit an offense (sometimes very serious ones), but once they get caught people realize that the law doesn't have a good way of dealing with corporations committing crimes. If an executive is caught money laundering for instance, you have pretty clear laws to deal with that (though it's common for the wealthy to get away with some things, or at least get off lighter than others), but if a corporation commits a crime, you can't imprison a corporation. So instead they get slapped with a (often inconsequential) fine that is often less than what they earned committing the crime in the first place.

It's a problem with our legal system that doesn't recognize what to do when corporations commit crimes that would warrant something more than just a fine. Now as to why our legal system remains so outdated when it comes to the entities that dominate the global and domestic economy, well there are a lot of, probably depressing, reasons for that.


Yea, i pretty much agree with what you said. People don't know it's a problem until something bad happens
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Why do people care? Because sport is like anime for the masses.

For those who don't care for sports, it's like that anime that is super highly regarded by a ton of people who keep recommending it to you, but when you watch it, you can't help but find it boring and stupid. Lots of people are super fanbois though. They look forward to the next [Sporting Event X] like it's the next season of Attack on Titan or something. :)



Interesting analogy lol but i find both anime and sports to very interesting
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How is FIFA corrupt for changing the location of a World Cup? Perhaps that's not all, but I mean come on... it's a sports related corporation, what could they do that would warrant FBI intervening? Rigging games? Who cares. Taking bribes to host games elsewhere? Who cares. Really, what could they have done?


In terms of the world cup, hosting it in Qatar was so improbable that nobody predicted it. There were better countries suited to host it that the onl logical reason had to be corruption. In fact, Qatar does not have any notable soccer players or organization to speak off, they literally have to buy players to play for them and become a Qatari. This is not really a problem as the country is rich. Also, i don't know if you've ever played soccer before but you wouldn't last if you had to play in 120 degrees condition.

And i think you are saying the same thing i am, why is the FBI bothering with FIFA if there are bigger corruptions they could be feeling with like US Congress or various police departments across the country


I just don't think it is "corruption" if FIFA corporation is holding their World Cup in a country that probably offered FIFA more money than any other country. I just think it's stupid to call this corruption. It's just them taking the best deal for themselves. The players will play regardless of the country, and if conditions are too unfavorable, they will take several breaks. There really is no issue here. FIFA as a whole obviously has no issue with this and are continuing their agenda as they just re-elected the same guy as their CEO. The CEO himself said they will keep doing what they are doing, but will go elsewhere business wise.


Its corrupt because every country is supposed to have an even chance of getting the world cup.

The world cup is the biggest sport event on the planet so it can give a MASSIVE boost to your economy if you get to host it, but FIFA give it to places that shouldnt have gotten it, which is unfair on other countries who have played the system fairly.
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Instead of investigating the corruption of FIFA, lets investigate the corruption of the Government.


Can we not do both? I'd say that's fairly ideal. It shouldn't be investigate FIFA's corruption or government corruption, it should be investigate FIFA's corruption and the government's corruption. Sure one is perhaps not as large as the other, but a boil is still a boil and should be lanced


Corruption of the government is rarely investigated, mainly because they cover their tracks too well.
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Its corrupt because every country is supposed to have an even chance of getting the world cup.

The world cup is the biggest sport event on the planet so it can give a MASSIVE boost to your economy if you get to host it, but FIFA give it to places that shouldnt have gotten it, which is unfair on other countries who have played the system fairly.


I assume that FIFA has stated this in some official document that they will give an equal chance to host it regardless of how much money the country bids to FIFA? I doubt that, or countries would low-ball FIFA. Contracts in this world are made using money. Qatar just happened to bid a lot more money to FIFA so FIFA is going to respond to that by hosting their World Cup in that country. It's that simple. Is it fair? Yes, because every country has an equal opportunity to bid more money than Qatar did. Sure, it's not fair for the fans, but Qatar must have bid so much money that FIFA decided that the money that they would get from fans wouldn't even compete with the money they got from the bid.

I'm not saying that's not cool, because fans would obviously want it in their country or one with a team. If I were a fan, of course I would be angry, but I can also see FIFA's stand on this. In the end it is a fair bidding system. It's the same system all contracts are based on.
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Its corrupt because every country is supposed to have an even chance of getting the world cup.

The world cup is the biggest sport event on the planet so it can give a MASSIVE boost to your economy if you get to host it, but FIFA give it to places that shouldnt have gotten it, which is unfair on other countries who have played the system fairly.


I assume that FIFA has stated this in some official document that they will give an equal chance to host it regardless of how much money the country bids to FIFA? I doubt that, or countries would low-ball FIFA. Contracts in this world are made using money. Qatar just happened to bid a lot more money to FIFA so FIFA is going to respond to that by hosting their World Cup in that country. It's that simple. Is it fair? Yes, because every country has an equal opportunity to bid more money than Qatar did. Sure, it's not fair for the fans, but Qatar must have bid so much money that FIFA decided that the money that they would get from fans wouldn't even compete with the money they got from the bid.

I'm not saying that's not cool, because fans would obviously want it in their country or one with a team. If I were a fan, of course I would be angry, but I can also see FIFA's stand on this. In the end it is a fair bidding system. It's the same system all contracts are based on.


You honestly dont think that paying off officials is corrupt? Not to mention the fact that its illegal.

Qatar bidding a lot of money has NO RELEVANCE. What FIFA have done is illegal no matter what. That is why it is corrupt.

Qatar hasnt paid FIFA a alot of money to the corrporation itself, they;ve paid alot of money to individual officials to vote in Qatars favour.
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Its corrupt because every country is supposed to have an even chance of getting the world cup.

The world cup is the biggest sport event on the planet so it can give a MASSIVE boost to your economy if you get to host it, but FIFA give it to places that shouldnt have gotten it, which is unfair on other countries who have played the system fairly.


I assume that FIFA has stated this in some official document that they will give an equal chance to host it regardless of how much money the country bids to FIFA? I doubt that, or countries would low-ball FIFA. Contracts in this world are made using money. Qatar just happened to bid a lot more money to FIFA so FIFA is going to respond to that by hosting their World Cup in that country. It's that simple. Is it fair? Yes, because every country has an equal opportunity to bid more money than Qatar did. Sure, it's not fair for the fans, but Qatar must have bid so much money that FIFA decided that the money that they would get from fans wouldn't even compete with the money they got from the bid.

I'm not saying that's not cool, because fans would obviously want it in their country or one with a team. If I were a fan, of course I would be angry, but I can also see FIFA's stand on this. In the end it is a fair bidding system. It's the same system all contracts are based on.


You honestly dont think that paying off officials is corrupt? Not to mention the fact that its illegal.

Qatar bidding a lot of money has NO RELEVANCE. What FIFA have done is illegal no matter what. That is why it is corrupt.


You don't seem to understand how corporations work. If this is "corruption" then every business in the whole world is corrupt according to your definition. A corporation that offers something such as hosting an event and asks for bids on that offer. The bids are not disclosed as to prevent people from just beating the previous bid. The bid winner wins the contract. It's not corruption, it's being fair.
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The president of everybody has just announced he will resign.
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i can't wait for the Chinese currency to become a global reserve currency
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My twitter feed just went nuts with that news. I follow a lot of soccer organizations, and everything involving USA Soccer has gone nuts. We're already treating it as a foregone conclusion that Qatar will lose their 2022 World Cup.

And really, FIFA was gonna implode on itself if Blatter had stayed on as president. We would have seen a mass resignation of organizations and countries. UEFA would have likely resigned, and Sunil Guilati (head of USA Soccer) would have led the charge against CONCACAF leaving FIFA as well, not to mention the possibility of CONMEBOL leaving as well. It would have left FIFA with a membership issue, and I assume would have hurt the World Cup, because I believe only FIFA members can participate in qualifying.

But not all is happy in the world of football:

This scandal has left a potentially HUGE event in the United States in jeopardy. Next year's Copa America Centenario in the United States is in real trouble of being cancelled, and that is a huge event to have on United States soil. We're talking about stars like Lionel Messi, Alexis Sanchez, David Luiz, and others representing their various South American countries for one of the most prestigious tournaments in this hemisphere. The Copa America is basically the South American version of the European Championships, and to hold that in the USA, AND to have USA Soccer competing is a huge opportunity to raise the profile of USA Soccer worldwide.

It's a double-edged sword, but if it means getting the big fish in the 2022 World Cup taken away from Qatar and given to who should've hosted it in the first place, the United States, then it'll be worth it. We deserve the chance to show how far the United States has come since hosting the 1994 tournament.
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The president of everybody has just announced he will resign.


I just saw.

I really didn't see that one coming
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Blatter is resigning????

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Sepp Blatter was a huge dictator that deserved to be sacked.
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What a shocker !!! I didn't see this coming, after winning reelection 5 days ago. Blatter is resigning

But he is planning on implementing some new changes like putting term limits on the corporate executives. He realized that if FIFA is to progress, it needs a new president as well.

But I personally believe that he's feeling the heat from somewhere, maybe the the dudes that were indicted might turn on him or something. I just don't see that dude all of a sudden want to resign after leading for 17 years.
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